our money is save in their hands..

[davey b]

£3000 for a cast iron stand pipe is MoD pricing!

 

The cast iron type could be copied or a similar item produced in self coloured resinous (probably recycled) fibrous plastic material, designed to be Regs compliant and self insulating for considerably less csot whilst being more pleasing to the eye, functional and less attractive to the scrap metal thieves.

 

That stainless item is utter arse! Public toilet or kebab house chic, with little insulation, poor functionality and greater injury potential.

 

Ignoring the (slightly suspect) water regs argument, surely the question should be why? Just do what one of the richest

charities in the country does and ignore the situation until forced, when they get someone else to do something for them as a gift!

[Ex- Member]

£3000 for a cast iron stand pipe is MoD pricing!

 

The cast iron type could be copied or a similar item produced in self coloured resinous (probably recycled) fibrous plastic material, designed to be Regs compliant and self insulating for considerably less csot whilst being more pleasing to the eye, functional and less attractive to the scrap metal thieves.

 

That stainless item is utter arse! Public toilet or kebab house chic, with little insulation, poor functionality and greater injury potential.

 

Ignoring the (slightly suspect) water regs argument, surely the question should be why? Just do what one of the richest

charities in the country does and ignore the situation until forced, when they get someone else to do something for them as a gift!

 

Good post & spot on the money, a Greenie sir

[onionbargee]

The £3000 figure includes instalation, a quick Google tells me a simple non locking cast iron standpipe is about £300 retail.

[onionbargee]

More from CRT........

Good morning,
My colleagues have provided the following list of updated regulations which apply. they are:
· Water Supply [Water Fittings] Regulations 1999 with the 2010 Amendment as explained in the Water Regulations Advisory Scheme [WRAS]
· Water Supply [Water Quality] Regulations 2010
· New Drinking Water Quality Regulations as governed by the Drinking Water Inspectorate
· Water Supply [Water Quality] Regulations 2010 Amendments
· Private Water Supplies Regulations 2009
· Water Act 2003
· Health and Safety at Work Act 1974
· Workplace [Health, Safety and Welfare] Regulations 1992
· World Health Organisation Drinking Water Quality 2004

[luctor et emergo]

To be fair , juding by the increased cases of Ebola here on the Western K&A, legislation to provide clean drinking water is only just in time.

 

It'll be railings along the locks next.

[Ex- Member]

Wow a list of regulations that have been updated over the past decade, how the hell does that relate to specific reasons why standpipes need changing.

 

No detail what so ever regarding any specific reason why.

 

Complete nonsense again.

[onionbargee]

Blood and stone are words that come to mind. I'm bored with this one now, The best i can say is lots of taps have lots of different non compliance issues, so we may never know.

 

I feel much safer now i know i was at risk of using a slightly out of compliance tap, i felt like a dirty criminal !

[Guest]

I wonder how many people on here have actually examined one of these Edwards stand pipes closely?

 

For one thing the the covering 'caps' have folded (not sheer) stainless steel on the edges, any hysterical claims that they may amputate a finger therefore seem exaggerated.

[onionbargee]

i'm filling out the claim form now, for next weeks injury.

[ditchcrawler]

I wonder how many people on here have actually examined one of these Edwards stand pipes closely?

 

For one thing the the covering 'caps' have folded (not sheer) stainless steel on the edges, any hysterical claims that they may amputate a finger therefore seem exaggerated.

I looked just this week, we have them on our moorings and there is one right beside our boat. I think one of the problems with the cast ones is that the tap spout is out in the open so can possibly (Irish Wolfhound cocking his leg) get contaminated.

[alan_fincher]

I have no idea i it could be the case, but don't some regulations require that there is a non-return valve present.

 

OK, I realise that if it is under pressure, you actually have to work quite hard at making anything flow in the wrong direction, but I'm fairly certain NRVs have become a requirement in some hosepipe supply situations.

Is it as simple as the new units contain these, but that the old ones do not?

 

However, I still don't understand why anyone thinks the cast iron ones are "part of canal heritage". They are a completely modern thing.

 

To give some balance "Sickle" has no water supply other than cans or water containers, so we top up at most water points we stop near. On our most recent trip, not one single cast iron type I have used has been in good order. Several had no locks, the lock rotated in its mounting, or had a lock, but it doesn't hold the flap shut. Some have the valve handle part rotating on the valve shaft. The design does not allow easy filling of a plastic container, because the 90 degree outlets are too close to the cast iron pillar.

I'm not making a case for replacing, but not heritage, and not a good design, or one that stays working as it should.

 

The £3000 figure, (versus £900) is clearly bollocks though!

[magpie patrick]

Perhaps, I can shed some light on CRT's decision? Below is my marketing blurb for "Magpie's Stainless Feather Standpipes"

 

Good afternoon,

Is your organisation classed as a ‘private distribution network’ (PDN)? Do you have a legal duty to ensure that all water delivery systems comply with the Water Supply (Water Fittings) Regulations 1999 and the Water Quality Regulations? These regulations require water providers, such as yourselves, to ensure your services and appliances meet appropriate guidance and standards to protect the quality of water being provided and to protect the supply from back contamination.

We offer a survey of the water supply points provided by our technical specialists, and as many PDN find that the majority are non-compliant in one way or another, we offer an economical, cost effective solution. A single cast iron water point costs approximately £3000 to make and install, but our new ones are only £900 to buy and install and they are fully compliant with all legislation.

You have until 2015 to ensure that you are fully compliant, and as a large PDN you should act now. After then the Drinking Water Inspectorate will check all your sites on behalf of local authorities and they have the power to shut down any site that does not comply. Call me now on the number below

Magpie Moss
Technical sales manager

 

Edited May 20, 2013 by magpie patrick

[Guest]

I looked just this week, we have them on our moorings and there is one right beside our boat. I think one of the problems with the cast ones is that the tap spout is out in the open so can possibly (Irish Wolfhound cocking his leg) get contaminated.

 

But the spout on the new ones are 'exposed' too unless each and every boater who uses it remembers to flip the cover back over after each and every time it is used (the one near our boat stood for ages with the cover flipped back last week).