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Use the search box to find the numerous threads on exactly this subject. The main problems are the onerous extra requirements if you plan to let your tenant go out cruising, along with what you do if when you want the boat back, it is nowhere to be found. Possibly lifted out and cut up for scrap while you are away! In summary, don't do it.

Even if a resi dentialmooring at say, Engineer's Wharf is taken for £8k a year, it's still under £10k to live on a fattie in London. I'm almost tempted myself!! How can they possibly be moaning about that!!!!

I was trying not to exaggermerate. A small one bed flat in say, Vauxhall is typically £25k a year. Plus council tax probably a further £3k. So with some other incidental expenses a round figure of say £30k to live cheaply in London. Remind me, what does it cost to license a one-bed fattie in London, with all the loadings included? £3k a year perhaps?

Even with the 75% increases, living afloat is still one quarter of the price of living ashore in London. London boaters will suck it up and carry on filling up the canals, despite all the whining.

AND.... Someone has to go first and show what can be done. Just as electric cars were viewed as something only nut-jobs thought worth driving until Musk came along, its the same with low-carbon economy. Yes there will be stuff we do that is a waste of money and effort but other stuff we try will be successful beyond all expectation and the rest of the world will copy the wins. Also I suspect the world does not need to totally cease burning fossil fuel. Just big reduction might suffice and the carbon cycle soak up a bit of extra load. But I know very little about it.

Once the OP is here and living on the boat, they are "living in Britain" so might also be "a British resident" but that is a misleading and ambiguous question so I doubt that is the actual question on the web page. As from time to time I point out, 'where you live' can be slippery to pin down depending on the exact phrasing of the question.

Similar story to you except the lock was filling. As usual I had stupidly allowed myself to become engaged in casual conversation by a by-stander and two minutes later the bow fender got stuck in the lock gate without me noticing. It broke free when the bow was within a few inches of going under (from the wet waterline!), the boat popped up grabbing our attention and a big wave ran up and down the lock several times. Lucky escape. Always focus on the boat in a filling or emptying lock even if it means being rude to people trying to engage you in conversation.

I remember having a protracted and bad tempered argument with someone (probably on here) long ago, who insisted inflammable meant the opposite of flammable, i.e. inflammable means will not burn. I could their reasoning, even though it was wrong.

You are saying executors are exempt from the RCR regulations?

Oh and there's another thing. Van dwellers hogging CRT car parks! Often attracted by the water, waste disposal and Elsan services in many canalside car parks. I personally know one van-lifer who relies totally on CRT facilities. It was turning into quite a problem around here before Covid, but for now it seems to have eased.

If "selling" is what a broker does. An estate agent doesn't "sell" a house, they find a buyer and introduce them to the seller. Maybe a boat broker does the same. Or maybe they don't.

Yes totally agree. More pertinently when selling what might turn out to be an 'in scope' boat, I'd suggest there needs to be some documentation signed by the buyer that they know they are buying a boat 'as seen' with no RCD documentation. Even then the seller is perhaps at risk of being prosecuted by Trading Standards. Maybe I should try reporting my current boat and see if Trading Standards will mount a prosecution of the (private) seller I bought it from. I can imagine them just ignoring me or telling me they have better things to do with their time. Swerving off at a tangent, what is someone supposed to do if they own a boat now defined as 'in scope' when it didn't use to be? A widow for example inheriting a boat owned by her deceased husband and she needs to get rid? Is she supposed to keep it until it rusts away? Scrap it? Give it away? How can she dispose of it lawfully?

Seconded. Nobody seems to really know what an "In Scope" boat actually is. Is a self-build done in 1998 an "In Scope" boat? If it is, does it now need a £4k RCR inspection and declaration of conformity (or whatever it is called?) How about a 1998 boat with full RCD ticket and a vintage engine (say)? Does that need the same? Would it even pass RCR with the vintage engine?

Are you the owner? I'm pretty sure you can't sell something you don't own.

And what might be wrong with that, if they are breaking the law? As seems to be being asserted.

Hardly. The climate change deniers continue to deny in the face of an avalanche of evidence. All I'm asking for is a scintilla of actual evidence it is happening, rather than an avalanche of hearsay that it might be. And not because I seek to deny. I seek to know which brokers not to bother approaching should I decide to sell my own non RCR boat. I'm sure they won't mind being mentioned.

Another point is you'll probably need to have some more loops welded to the hull as those in the photo look far too close to the stem post for the fender you have. Or sell the posh fender and buy a basic 'button' fender which suit those loops better.

That was not my intention at all. A list of brokers who do not demand all RCR paperwork in place would be equally as useful to people seeking a broker. Whether they are buying or selling. "RCR only" or "universal" brokers would appeal to different sectors of the market.

Is it? Despite repeated requests from various posters for names of brokers refusing to sell boats with missing RCR, I'm not sure I've ever seen such a broker actually named. Why is everyone so coy about saying which brokers are complying with what they perceive as the law? It makes no sense to me.

With canal boats there are very few 'standard' ways of doing things. The chain will be whatever the fender-maker had to hand on the day s/he made yours. Sizes and materials vary. To match it you'll have to measure it! Also don't worry much about extra chain being the same. Fenders are consumable items and yours will get worn and battered. But yes "D" shackles are the most common way of joining chain. Small carabiners work too.

It all strikes me as horribly ambiguous and not nut and dried as Alan tries to make out. Isn't there also a qualification mentioned somewhere along the lines of RCR applying to a boat "First being made available on the market"? Or was that RCD only and now superceded by RCR?

Bow fenders are always awkward to arrange and difficult to fit in my limited experience. Reading between the lines I'd say the sellers bought the nice fender then couldn't work out how to fit it, so just left it unfitted it for you to do! It needs arranging right over the prow so the fender hits (say) a lock gate rather than any metal of the boat. Congrats on the new boat by the way!

Seconded. I think the market will split soon, into those who love box ticking and wouldn't buy a boat without, and those who DILLIGAF and trade freely.