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It can't be that new as the BSS expires 30/1/29, which tells us it was examined on 1/2/25. And on another aspect, given CRT accept RCR instead of a BSS for the first four years, what evidence of RCR needs submitting to them, given there is no central register? Or is there a central register? Do BMF or whoever administers the scheme issue a number and register a RCR declaration?

"Rudder looks like an axminster carpet" I'm rather worried about what your Axminster carpets look like at home!

Having spent the first 30 years of my boating life on the Thames and grown accustomed to the "Take no sh!t" approach of the EA, I was truly staggered at how sloppy and lax CRT are when I moved onto the canals. I think if the EA top brass took over running CRT, all the problems of unlicensed boats and overstaying would vanish pretty rapidly.

The thing that bothers me about this "LFP Guidance Note" is it reminds me of the ill-thought-out SoliFtec "Guidance notes" on stove installation in boats. Although it is 'just' guidance, loads of installers already take it as mandatory and carry out clumsy stove installations forced into compliance with the publication and there is a pressure for BSS to adopt the advice as Google AI points out: What Soliftec Does Shares technical data for heating engineers, architects, and the public. Offers safety and installation tips, notably working alongside groups like the Boat Safety Scheme for marine stoves.

Well the obvious answer is buy a different boat. It's not as if they are rare. OR, get it lifted out and take it away for renovation on the bank. Then get a BSS, insurance, register it and buy a license, then get it lifted back in. But buying a finished, licensed and immediately useable boat will be FAR cheaper. Is there a particular reason you want to buy this basket-case of a boat in particular?

Funny-looking yacht! But as others have commented, 'proper' yachts routinely travel thousands of miles without burning fossil fuel, and have done for thousands of years.

Sadly the installer probably saw the Soliftec advisory PDF on how to install a solid fuel stove in a boat and assumed it was a mandatory regulation. Unfortunate as half of it is complete cobblers especially the bit about fitting a double-skinned flue on a boat when the risk of flue-chilling is vanishingly small. Unlike in a house with a flue ten metres high when the risk is substantial. (And referencing across to the LFP thread, this sort of assumption is exactly the way unofficial advice ends up being believed to be mandatory regulation and why so many of us are uneasy about the publication. )

LadyM, Shirley.

Are you implying with the above that you think it's just their Friday boats that need examining with a very powerful microscope? And that their Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday boats are all fine?! A very brave opinion, if I may say...

What would you suggest for me in a flaky location with no 5g and flaky, unreliable 4g and even my fibre landline drops out regularly? Starlink is my only option, as far as I can work out.

Same here. Drive there, tramp the towpath for 20 mins carrying a heavy toolbox, say hello, decline a cuppa as kettle will delay turning gas off, do the two mins work, write out invoice, argue about it, get paid, walk back to van, drive home. Two hours gone!

Same here. When I was registered for boats I found river boaters happy to pay good money and generally easy to work on, but narrowboats are a PITA to work on due to lack of space especially if liveaboard.

Really nice-looking house, you must be very pleased with it. Shame about that motorhome the neighbours have on their drive though...

I'd imagine the vast majority of gas work on boats is done by non-GSR people, given how little demand there is from GSR installers for training and examination from schools that offer the "Boats" ticket on their syllabus. The vast majority of gas training schools tell me there is no demand for the "Boats" ticket.

Chatty aren't you! Starlink then. £40 a month.

Its difficult to advise without knowing what you'll be using it it for, and if you are static or CCing. And if static, where you are. As you may have noticed, there have been a lot of "if"s in the answers so far.

I think you're right, as this agrees with my original interpretation of it 25 years ago when I first read it and needed to understand it to get my gas ticket exams passed. This sounds to me like one of the definitions of one's elected PPR for the purposes of swerving income tax liability on the basis of not being domiciled in the UK, or the swerving of CGT when selling one of one's houses. Or something like that.

"Domestic OR residential" So as Nick says, even if never used residentially the GSIUR remains applicable if the use is domestic. Unless it's a butty. Or an unpropelled houseboat!

Actually reading it, I'd say that's not quite what it says and it is monumentally confusing. Here it is: (5) Nothing in these Regulations shall apply in relation to the supply of gas to, or anything done in respect of a gas fitting on (a) a self-propelled vehicle except when such a vehicle is (i) hired out in the course of a business; or (ii) made available to members of the public in the course of a business carried on from that vehicle; (b) a sea-going ship; (c) a vessel not requiring a national or international load line certificate except when such vessel is (i) hired out in the course of a business; (ii) made available to members of the public in the course of a business carried out from that vessel; or (iii) used primarily for domestic or residential purposes; (d) a hovercraft; or (e) a caravan used for touring otherwise than when hired out in the course of a business. And once you edit out the irrelevancies, you get this: (5) Nothing in these Regulations shall apply to a self-propelled vehicle except when such a vehicle is: (iii) used primarily for domestic or residential purposes; So it also revolves around whether a boat is considered a self-propelled vehicle or not. But what being self-propelled has to do with it, I'm not entirely sure. I think it means it doesn't apply to motor homes but it does apply to caravans. So what about butties? They are not self propelled but I'd have thought the gas installations should meet the same standards as self-propelled boats. If they are within scope at all.

Its an oversight (possibly) in the drafting of the GSIUR. The scope extends to "dwellings" but not to "vessels" IIRC. It seems to overlook that a "vessel" can at the same time also be a "dwelling". I guess a similar problem exists with motorhomes. I have the ticket to work on motorhomes so that will include liveaboard motorhomes. But yer average garage mechanic probably can't touch the gas system on a liveaboard motorhome even though he may be competent, as it would be by way of business.

Total stupidity though don't you think, when there is no life raft and no need for one?

I guess this matters for the putting greens but does it matter a jot if some 'weeds' establish themselves in the lockside grass? Surely they'd just get mowed short the same as a the grass. What is a weed anyway?

That's it David, thanks! I guess the pigeon fancier hasn't seen this....

There is an excellent Dilbert or XKCD cartoon this all reminds me of. Might even have been posted in this thread way back nesr the beginning. Two blokes chatting, one says to the other "There are 13 different standards for this <whatever> thing. Let's draw them all together into one single, comprehensive standard." The other says "Good idea, let's do it." The next image points out there are now 14 standards for <whatever>.