BilgePump

Ooops, didn't want to be narrow minded,

Now the pubs are shut, some of us must be a bit lost, but 457 posts or so in and this is beginning to look like a pub argument. Boat in water connected to CaRT's, pay the licence Don't want to pay licence? Hardstanding or non-CaRT waters

Watched someone remove a mask to wipe their nose today. Eh? Do they not realise it could be on their hands off the trolley, on a five pound note, on a tin because someone didn't want it and put it back or basically anywhere? But at half five today, I did have the urge, and succumbed, to go out for one last pint Happy boating all. See you at a 2 metre, call it 7 foot distance Stay safe

Bought four cloves of garlic, lady on counter says officially only three of anything but waved them through, not necessities unless the zombie invasion's on its way. Saw bottles of water and cucumbers being taken off customers at the next aisle. Absolute bonkers

Been to 5 supermarkets today to try and piece together a very simple shop for my over 70s parents. Still short on fresh milk, but good news is, bog rolls are back in stock, and Easter eggs.

The surface of the road does not flow back and forth into our driveways as the water in a canal does with a connected marina. We choose tarmac, paving, grass, chippings, mud, whatever for our bit. The road surface doesn't mix with our property and we are responsible for making sure that muck or gravel doesn't make its way from our gardens onto the highway. There are also established penalties, things like ANPR, traffic patrols and charges for storing / driving an untaxed vehicle on the road that combined are deemed sufficient to deter someone from having a trip out in a SORNed vehicle. However, the water in the marina is managed by CaRT so even a boat sitting there is utilising CaRT managed water without ever travelling out onto the cut. The water is both the thing that floats it and the surface of the transport network. When a boat sits in a marina that is connected, these two are continuously and inextricably linked. I once used to moor a small sailboat in a marina outside CaRT's remit. It was behind a tidal river lock and no licence or BSS needed. If you weren't going out to sea though , it wasn't long before you were on waters managed by CaRT and needed to be licensed. For a small boat able to make it onto the canal network for a peek around, this is where the short term licences are very useful (aswell as for trail boat owners) The only way it might be possible for a SORN style option to be viable would be some form of fully isolated pond. Water and movements would be managed by the marina (although I'm not sure I'd like to be on a pond with people putting stuff down sinks, showers etc into it). Boats would need to be licensed again before the marina staff could lift/lock gate them back out into the canal or the open marina. However, once in the pond the boat could be delicensed. Movements in and out could be communicated and confirmed by the marina to CaRT. But that whole thing is massive infrasturcture investment and planning that I imagine most marinas and councils just would not be interested in. As for possible demand, I, as a mooring customer, would have no interest in such a place, even if the boat hasn't been out for a trip for months and I might save the licence fee in such a place.

Didn't know Marple locks were closed but I'm on the other side of the Macclesfield closure so can't get onto the Peak Forest. Nowt on stoppages page. However, if someone was genuinely stuck on the Upper Peak, I would think they would still be expected to at least move from Marple, to between Strines and Disley, to between New Mills and Furness, to somewhere near Whaley and turn around to at least show some attempt to shuffle up and down during those weeks of closure. Pleasant enough mooring spots near all those places.

So why not lobby the marina owners and your fellow moorers to have the marina stopplanked and disconnected? Avoids the licence fee for you, marina can avoid the 9% and you all get to enjoy floating in a small pond.

There's a simple way to avoid the licence if not moving out of a marina. Hardstanding. Or buy a caravan instead.

CaRT charge about £32/ft/pa on our Macc towpath moorings. No special facilities, just the water point and bin nearby for all boaters. A basic private field mooring on the other side is less than that whereas Lyme View marina charges £41/ft/pa with decent secure facilities and pleasant grounds. In this instance, say a farmer is happy to get £10+/ft/pa clear, CaRT will still want say £16/ft/pa. Not only will they get that but it keeps the field mooring's overall cost closer to those for a no frills CaRT mooring. Thus CaRT can satisfy the requirement to be in line with local prices if their moorings are reasonably priced between field and marina. If they only charged the marina connection charge of 9% (?) to field/EOG moorings then obviously income from them would plummet but they may also be obliged to lower their own towpath mooring charges to avoid an exodus, but this could then risk the charge of undercutting the local marinas by too great a margin. What I suspect would really happen is that prices would remain similar overall, just that the landowners would be quids in. I do understand those who just want to have their own private boat at the bottom of their garden in a perfectly safe location and feel a little aggrieved at having to jump through hoops and pay a significant sum to CaRT to moor outside their own property when they pay a licence.. But, if it wasn't a pain and expense, soon every canal side property in a decent location would have an under the radar sublet or AirBnB boat on it. Like you, I'm not on the canal for confrontations with bureaucracy. Field, towpath, marina - for those of us who aren't cc'ing we need a mooring somewhere. It's a cost to factor in and always has been. For me it's worth it. Just like a trail boat or a caravan. If you can't store it on land at home then someone will want paying to store it,when not in use, be that a marina or boat club hardstanding or caravan site / storage yard, My journey to the boat and back takes me past a golf club advertising membership for about a grand a year, a bit more than I pay for a mooring nearby. Each unto their own.

That is nasty precedent to set and the price, eye watering considering that for about the same money you get access to CaRT waters, others and 3rd party insurance

In a world where boats of all ages may have a bilge pump sitting under an engine in a cruiser stern wet bilge, it;s not always going to be clear water. Pretty rarely. Always thought filter was on inlet side. Anything fine enough to filter oil prob wouldn't be able to put through the liquid volume needed. The filter is just for clag that would wreck the pump? If that's the case it needs to be stopped from getting in, not trapped and stopped from getting out.

Maybe, it's the first decent day, no rain, no floods, no wind. Try and get the job done asap and move it. But nobody removed water in the boat as its angle shifted, no blocking low hull fittings, no boom, no surprise it would end up submerged. Sympathy for the owners. edited: only my observation from the pics. I've no local knowledge

Ta :-) Still learning

What's the word after "Seine"? Is it 'Carriers'

Com" Bham Reg No BCN 836?? Or maybe not

Without being pedantic about their notice, the waterpoint is next to bridge 15, near the trading post and bins. Thankfully I haven't really used the loo on the boat since last visiting Marple so have capacity left in the portapotti and don't live on my little tupperware. If it does need emptying at least the boat can get up to the closure (can turn 19' virtually anywhere) but bigger boats can't get closer than the proper winding hole. Like you I have a lot of sympathy for those who live aboard but like me are on a towpath mooring without facilities.

A Springer is a bit more exepnsivre to drydock in most place because it needs blocking/chocking with its shallow V hull. Put two three coats open while it's in there

same way as usual. Tank or cassette.

Homemade, peeled and cut, deep fried chips from a pan are great, if someone else makes them. But, I don't fancy setting fire to the place. Those Aldi crinkle cut chips in the oven done crispy are mine of choice. Last time I went in the Whaley chippy was December and it was nice btw. Try a sweet potato, sliced into wedges, bit of oil on, few chilli flakes, oven cook,, serve with salad and mayo