To answer Tumshie's post which stated she would not be replying as it was dis respectful to the war dead & was confused that because i was engaged as a game bird beater it gave me more insight into the gentry. I in no way intended to not show respect (see earlier post) my beef was the incompetence/arrogance of some officers taking decisions that cost many foot solders their lives ( Written up in War records which I have read ) & the way we as beaters were treated by the upper class on game shoots ,also which I have not mentioned the way working boaters were treated, in my working days, by sections of land dwellers & shop keepers It was assumed without finding out ,that working boaters were illiterate just to add when I took up the occupation I was up to city & guilds in mechanical engineering & my late wife was a barrister so we wer both OK on the R&R front, although we were always referred to as them off the water & in some cases treated as though we were not there & talked about not to. Came as a bit of a shock to some folk to find we had better education than they did & were always pleased to help out any boater family with reading/writing matters As an aside I did military service & spent some months in Korea so I have expieranced war & officers first hand & like all things in life there are good & bad only problem in that line of work a bad "un" with a wrong decision can cost you your life.