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Hopefully letting everyone know the people's names will hopefully shame them, something that's been missing in this country for a few years. Darren

what is there to gain from knowing the names? and how does one get permission to boat on 'your lovely river?'

OK, OK, I know I said I would never look at the "Dark Side"! But am I the only one who finds the curious juxtaposition of those articles by the likes of Allan Richards versus Victor's more extreme rants more than distinctly odd? On the one hand we get articles that quite rightly set out that CRT has embarked on a policy to try and get something in place, whilst totally failing to prove that the need for it exists. We are told in one article that NABO are against it, and in others that boaters are using the media to get their case over, and an article about Jenlyn's petition seemed to me to be pretty reasonable. Now we get this. containing gems like this..... .....which to me seems to be a direct swipe at Steve "Jenlyn". No doubt in his next article "Victor" will provide his evidence that Steve is an "illegal moorer" - oh hang on though, perhaps he will not! This stuff makes me very angry indeed, though I have no idea why I should get wound up my someone so narrow-minded and ill informed, I'm afraid I still do. I suppose it is because loads of people will lap up his words, and say "I'll have some more of that please!" I am by most live-aboard's estimation a "shiny leisure boater", with boats kept on home moorings. When I do boat them, I boat them on the whole quite rapidly around the system, seldom even laying over for a day anywhere. That still doesn't stop me being wholly opposed to what CRT are trying to now bring in as a Visitor Moorings policy. We have pretty conclusively proved that BW and CRT have no data that supports the need to make the changes they are proposing, and a fair bit of evidence that their reasons for trying to do it are not the ones stated. It looks to me increasingly like a cynical attempt to sweep in a series of measures that effectively are trying to do a type of "social cleansing", by a completely heavy handed "sledge-hammer to crack a nut" method that will adversely affect "law abiding" boaters, whilst the relative few that choose not to be will continue to just stick two fingers up, and carry on. Please nobody accept "Victor's" drivel without spending some time acquainting yourself with the research that a lot of us have worked hard on. Because that is just what it is - drivel!

straight in the cut if they don't fit!

so is nb CWDF now continuously mooring on the old server, or are we just waiting for the stoppages to end? ...and is Nicknorman still trying to peep into the back-up server??

Greenie for the last paragraph. Only 6 months ago I was admitted via A&E. I have ongoing long term thing and I knew I needed surgery. They filled me with painkillers and spent the weekend trying to convince me (including a general surgeon)to go home with paracetamol. I dug my heels in and told them I'd sue them if I got worse because they'd refused to treat me. My condition which I'm not going to go into here, needs quick attention, not because I'm going to die, but because if it gets worse I'll have to have bits chopped out that will make life next to unbearable and certainly cost the NHS an arm and a leg for the remainder of my life. Eventually at 5pm on Monday they weakened and fetched the specialist who did a good impression of being annoyed not to have been called earlier, 30 mins later I was being operated on. Lucky I'd had the sense to "nil by mouth" myself all weekend. I believe I was somehow mistaken for some sort of malingerer even though my file, if they'd bothered to get it, is about 4" thick and I don't "do" medical help until I'm in agony and heading for A&E, like many chaps out there.

Is it too much to ask? If you don't have anything of value to add to a serious discussion, however valid or invalid it may be in your opinion - could you just say nothing? 'Peanuts, cold drink, comfy beanbag', - does that kind of response help the OP, really?