Proper Job Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 My understanding is: Due to historical factors, various boats are potentially charged differing rates even though they are at the same site and receive the same facilities. The new auctioning system complicates this even further. The average rate charged at a site is published every year: Clicky This should be the rate that the EOG moorings in that area would be based on for that period. This is also the 'guide price' that BW use when tendering the mooring. If during a current year, a mooring comes up for tender and is 'sold' at an over the odds price, this price is put in the melting pot and used to calculate the average rate for the site for the following year...... and so it goes on. What BW don't want is the rate to drop. Which is why, if they don't reach the reserve price, they are re-tendered or left empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_fincher Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 What BW don't want is the rate to drop. Which is why, if they don't reach the reserve price, they are re-tendered or left empty. What do BW do with the ones that fail to make reserve price, please, Steve, do you know ? Do they just get re-advertised after a set delay ? If it happens repeatedly, what then ? Just curious..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 My understanding is:Due to historical factors, various boats are potentially charged differing rates even though they are at the same site and receive the same facilities. The new auctioning system complicates this even further. The average rate charged at a site is published every year: Clicky This should be the rate that the EOG moorings in that area would be based on for that period. This is also the 'guide price' that BW use when tendering the mooring. If during a current year, a mooring comes up for tender and is 'sold' at an over the odds price, this price is put in the melting pot and used to calculate the average rate for the site for the following year...... and so it goes on. What BW don't want is the rate to drop. Which is why, if they don't reach the reserve price, they are re-tendered or left empty. It doesn't quite work that way. The tender results are an input to setting the non-tender price, but it isn't a simple average, and they exclude clearly anomolous prices from the calculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denboy Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 It doesn't quite work that way. The tender results are an input to setting the non-tender price, but it isn't a simple average, and they exclude clearly anomolous prices from the calculation. In other words they move the goal posts to what suits them best and to hell with everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 In other words they move the goal posts to what suits them best and to hell with everyone else I'm not sure that is true! In the example that I tried to give above, the £100 tender would be excluded as anomolous, which would favour the boater. I suggested that they would set a price of £57.50 A straight average of tenders would give £75.00 An average excluding the anomolous let at £100 would give £66.67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denboy Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 the fact of the mater is though this is an off side mooring which if i wasnt here they would get nowt,in the early days when i came here i agreed to pay them as a good will guesture now they are after more ,,if i moved from here they would not be able to moor any one else here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayalld Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 the fact of the mater is though this is an off side mooring which if i wasnt here they would get nowt,in the early days when i came here i agreed to pay them as a good will guesture now they are after more ,,if i moved from here they would not be able to moor any one else here Oh, indeed. That is an argument that applies to all EOG mooring charges, but unless somebody chooses to fight them in court again, there isn't much that we can do about it. From their point of view, in 90% of cases, if you move from there, you would still end up paying them for a mooring somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proper Job Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Oh, indeed. That is an argument that applies to all EOG mooring charges, but unless somebody chooses to fight them in court again, there isn't much that we can do about it. From their point of view, in 90% of cases, if you move from there, you would still end up paying them for a mooring somewhere. Again you get back to the virtual (or realistic) stand point that, as a monopoly, BW have you by the short and curlies. And no accountability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sueb Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 the fact of the mater is though this is an off side mooring which if i wasnt here they would get nowt,in the early days when i came here i agreed to pay them as a good will guesture now they are after more ,,if i moved from here they would not be able to moor any one else here That's where you went wrong. BW don't do goodwill gestures. They ask for a small amount & when you pay they can then increase the price each year. BW are also trying to charge householders who are using the bottom 3ft of their garden, even if they haven't got a boat. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denboy Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Oh, indeed. That is an argument that applies to all EOG mooring charges, but unless somebody chooses to fight them in court again, there isn't much that we can do about it. From their point of view, in 90% of cases, if you move from there, you would still end up paying them for a mooring somewhere. not if i become a continuous moorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proper Job Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 BW are also trying to charge householders who are using the bottom 3ft of their garden, even if they haven't got a boat.Sue I remember someone telling me about that. Additionally, BW wanted to pile the bank to stop wash errosion, but was going to charge the house holders for doing so. What's that all about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptedOut Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I remember someone telling me about that. Additionally, BW wanted to pile the bank to stop wash errosion, but was going to charge the house holders for doing so. What's that all about! It all started with a degenerate called Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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