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  1. Hi, I'm in the process of buying my first narrowboat to live aboard. It was surveyed today and I've just received a quick update from the surveyor saying there's some pitting on the hull that needs spot welding. I'll receive the full survey report in the next couple of days. The boat is 16 years old and is for sale for just over 50k. Is pitting that requires spot welding a serious problem? Thanks in advance.
  2. Hi, below are photos of pitting discovered on a hull survey on a 57 ft narrowboat built in 2007. The survey report says there is a small amount of deep pitting on the side plates and some other pitting measuring upto 0.9mm, and the deep pits require back filling with weld. The photos are of both the deep and upto 0.9mm pitting after the hull has been jet sprayed. The hull readings taken are all ok and there's only been minor diminution of plate thickness. I'm trying to get opinions on the severity of the pitting if possible based on the photos. Unfortunately it won't let me upload the individual photos because they're above the maximum allowed size limit so I've had to take a screenshot of all 14 images. Not sure if they will be clear enough. Thanks.
  3. Hi everyone! Boatcat and I are considering making an offer on a boat we viewed yesterday, and as newbies I thought i'd post here to see what those more experienced than us (that's pretty much everyone!) thinks. We've gained so much knowledge from this forum - it's an invaluable resource. We've seen the results of the hull survey in May and they seem good - i know some of you don't put too much faith in surveys though! Here's the link: http://bit.ly/Xb3pPE we'll be cruising most of the time so our main concerns are with the current electric setup which is as follows. 300w inverter 8kw beta marine generator (bolted in) 200w (I think) solar panel with mppt charge controller 2 leisure batteries (220ah total) 1 engine battery 1 generator battery 50l calorifier and immersion heater galvanic isolator smartgauge I'm quite happy with the solar setup as we should be able to add more panels in the future. However i'm sure we will be needing more batteries and a larger inverter at some point (though 300w will be a good excuse to cut down on our usage) Our main concern is with the immersion heater and calorifier (currently situated under the bed) I know this means we will have to run the generator in order to heat water and this seems like a bit of a waste considering its size. if its a case of running it for a hour a day i suppose that's ok but not sure if that will provide enough hot water for the day, and how economical the thing is. At 8kw it's actually about the same size as the engine - the thing is huge! I'd rather get rid of it at some point and free up space in the boatman's cabin, the only practical use I can see for it is running the washer/dryer. I have heard of people running a 12v immersion heater from a wind turbine/excess solar but am not convinced that would cut it. Would the best long term option be to install a instant hot water/paloma style heater? our other main concerns are less pressing - the colour scheme (from the outside I think it's OK but boatcat thinks it's quite awful) and fit-out, inside some of the tongue and groove is mismatched (i.e. vertial horzontal and diagonal) not to mention that burgundy! look forward to hearing what people think . . . .
  4. Hi there, I'm on the hunt for a narrowboat which I plan to continually cruise and live on. Over the past few months I've been a quietly digesting a tonne of information from these forums and other resources online. I finally have a question to post, so hopefully you might be able to help. I've seen a boat online which looks pretty tidy, but it states that the top is wood and the roof fibreglass. I've seen quite a lot of negative press around GRP. Should this ring alarm bells? If I go and view her is there anything I should look out for? She's also just been repainted externally - should that also ring alarm bells? This is the boat in question. Would really appreciate your advice! Thanks in advance.
  5. This 16 minute Cruising The Cut video may be of interest to anyone wondering about the process of buying a boat. David spends about 15 mins minutes interviewing James from Rugby Boats. Many of the issues discussed seem to crop up regularly in the New to Boating forum so would probably be of interest to many newbies. As indeed would much of Cruising The Cut (131 videos and counting) but this particular video might be a good place to start. Apologies if this has already been linked to elsewhere.
  6. Evening all, I have a query about a second-hand boat that’s up for sale, which is described as being a 2008 Liverpool hull (self-fitted by the previous owner). The vendor described the chassis plate HIN/CIN number as being of the form ‘CBBxxxxx’ (I’ve hidden the numbers with x’s to protect his privacy). This seems like a strange number for a HIN/CIN, to me. Also, the only MIC code I can find for ‘CBB’ is C B Boats Ltd? If anyone has any ideas, I’d appreciate the feedback. Not sure I’m happy buying a boat with no RCD and a strange chassis number. Specifically, did Liverpool always mark their boats with a specific MIC and number format, or did they vary? Thanks in advance.
  7. Hello Canal World Newbie here, considering buying my first narrowboat. I have some questions that you might help with but all observations appreciated. REQUIREMENTS extended holiday cruising (summer mostly but winter too) 2 people + 2 guest berths budget ~£30K PREFERENCES (not essential) trad generous well deck portholes DECENT HULL I intend to get a pre-sale survey but as these are expensive I am stuck wondering how to select which boat to survey. I would rather spend on a decent hull (over a fancy interior). However, online or on-the-boat, I have no way to judge the condition of the hull. Do you have any tips to spot a decent hull? From what little I've learnt I think I'd like to avoid an overplated hull. Will I find a narrowboat with an unplated good hull for £30K? Is overplating a worry anyway? 1995 50' JONATHON WILSON £25K Take this boat. A well known hull builder for £25K. The interior is shabby so that's great, I can do up. Unfortunately there's no info about the hull and you have to wonder why it hasn't sold for so long. What do you think of this boat, is it worth looking at? http://cvmarine.co.uk/2017/03/30/allenvera-50ft-traditional-narrowboat/ 1997 50' JONATHON WILSON £35K Has a good recent survey. This is above budget but I could save money on the survey, sell the kids xmas gifts and make an offer. What do you think of this boat, would you dream of buying it without a survey? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/narrowboat-1997-Jonathan-Wilson-6-berths/153295795041 Thanks Phil
  8. Can you recommend a marina? For whatever purpose. I am going to buy a boat in a few months time, maybe this year or the beginning of next year, for example September, October this year or April, May next year. Which marinas in England (south of Lancaster) have a good range of pre-owned narrow boats? Where have you had good experiences when buying and using the other services of the marina. Which marinas offer a good service to people who moor their boat on them? I live in Spain but have family in the north west and south west of England, so would base my boat in those areas, I think. But I don't mind buying a boat in another part of the country. Do you think it is safer to buy from a marina? I will be very grateful for any help. Peter
  9. Hello All, I am new to this forum and hoping to glean some useful buying advice / information please. I have wanted to own, and live aboard, a narrowboat for some years now (having enjoyed many holidays / long weekends afloat in the past), and have now decided (I think!) to take the plunge and buy my own vessel. I was just wondering if you could give me any advice, positive or negative, about particular manufacturers; specifically , I want to know if it is worth spending more money on what might possibly be an older boat but one that is apparently made by a better / more reputable constructor. I came across two similar boats that I was interested in on a recent internet search; one was a 2004 Liverpool Boats 57 ft with an advertised price of around £50k, and the other was a 1999 Warble 57ft with an advertised price of nearer £80k. Both boats were similarly fitted-out with good quality interiors, and both looked to be in good tidy condition. I understand that a 1999 Ferrari or Rolls-Royce will be worth more than a 2004 Fiat or Toyota, but what I don't quite understand is this - are they not effectively the same thing (i.e. 57ft of steel), but with a different interior? My simplistic approach would say that if I took my Toyota and got the interior done by the same people who do Ferrari interiors would it be worth Ferrari money? I guess not! ;-) I have been told that the quality of the steelwork (i.e. the preparation and the general fabrication skills) would be of a much better standard on the more expensive vessel, but I would assume that fundamentally they are probably both made from the same steel that might well have come from the same mill, so am I basically paying another £30k for some neater welding?! Please pardon my ignorance, as I am wholly new to the idea of boat ownership, but I would welcome any useful information or opinions on this subject before I either end-up wishing I had spent the extra money on a 'better' boat, or end-up wondering why I wasted all that extra money! ;-) Thanks in advance. Andrew.
  10. Hello. You may have seen this post a while ago about a £340k boat. I went to see it on Thursday and would appreciate any thoughts anyone might have about it. It was of course a typo and the listing price should have been £34k. I thought it might be worth checking out as the typo might mean it's been overlooked by others and not showing up in searches for a certain price range. I've upped my budget a little since I started looking a couple of months ago, mainly after reading some sage advice aimed at others on these forums, and am now looking around the £30k mark, possibly rising to £32k for the right boat. My thinking on viewing the advert was that although the boat looks a bit tired and chintzy from the photos and didn't particularly grab me, there are a few positives: lots of potential with the space (second cabin could become home office), choice of solid fuel burner or diesel powered radiators, separate diesel generator (though needs some work), washing machine, eye-level oven, mixture of portholes and hopper windows (a few threads on here suggest this is desirable: portholes for cabin, hoppers for saloon and kitchen), and the paint job looks in very good condition on the outside. Plus, the seller is emigrating and may be keen to get rid and do a deal. Anyway, called to arrange viewing and spoke to Paul, who is a friend of Allan the owner. Paul wrote the Apollo Duck advert for Allan since Allan is in his 70s and 'not good with computers'. Hence a few shaky details in the ad ('water clarifier') based on mishearings. Paul said Allan was abroad but would be back soon so we could arrange a viewing next week. Then I got a call from Allan Thursday morning, saying he'd just landed at 1am and hadn't slept but would be keen for me to come and see as soon as possible. Arranged to go at 2pm. Met Allan and he immediately wanted to get down to brass tacks: if I put a deposit down I could claim it straight away, he could wait a few months if I wanted to pay him something now and something later. A little odd, since I hadn't even mentioned the possibility of buying. I wanted to see the boat first, which seemed to me a sensible way to go about things. Had a good look around the outside, was encouraged to get down on my knees and feel the sides under the water line – very smooth indeed, no pitting. Didn't warm to the boat when I got on board. It looked tired and unloved, though very clean and neat. Allan talked a bit about the features and I asked if he had a recent survey. He dodged the question and said he'd get to that. At this point I should note that he seemed a little inflexible and unusual in his manners, so I thought best to let him give the tour and presentation as he'd obviously planned it all and get to the paperwork in his own time. At the engine room, things got a little vague regarding the current battery-charging set-up. The generator wasn't working but he was sure it was a simple fix, possibly an alternator brush, and there seemed some Heath Robinson setup that involved coupling the engine with the generator, which was connected to the Mastervolt battery charger (which I was informed no less than three times cost 'money'). When I tried to get a little clearer about the setup he did confirm that the batteries will charge directly from the engine at the moment. He has a bank of seven leisure batteries on a relay. He was in the middle of telling me about his licence and mooring, when I seized on a pause to ask about the diesel central heating (if this seems rude, there weren't many such pauses to seize upon). Did it work? The first answer was 'Yes', then after a couple more sentences about the licence it changed on reflection to 'It did when I last used it, but I prefer to use the stove'. I let him talk me through the paperwork without interruption, though this only consisted of his 'MOTs' going back many years. These were of course just the BSS certificates. I let him talk to see if he would get to my survey question as promised. It was never mentioned. So when it was clear that it wasn't going to come up without prompting, I asked again if he had one. No. Why? Because he's never needed it: he's had it for 17 years and knows that he's never scraped the bank and that he's always used the best paint for blacking (two pack). Could I get a survey done? Initial answer: if I pay for it. Since this wasn't as off-putting as he'd expected, this soon turned to: I don't want to take it all the way to Tarleton and get it out of the water, because it's due for blacking again and that would need doing. Then with the issue of a survey still hanging there, the price started to drop: he could do £32 for me if I was interested and gave him a deposit now. But that would mean no fussing about with an unnecessary survey. I asked him to confirm that he wouldn't have a survey done and he said yes. So I turned around and put my boots back on. The price went back up to £34 while I was putting on my boots, if I insisted on a survey. Would he agree to any repairs that might be necessary as found by a survey? Yes, but he knows it won't need any. Then: he would go halves with me in principle (if say it needed '£1000 of welding', he'd pay £500), although he knows it won't need anything doing at all. Once I was back on the bank a final offer of £31 came out, which was probably conditional on having no survey, though by that point the alarm bells were ringing quite loudly so I made my excuses and slipped away. Allan is quite a full-on character and it was only when I got away with my own thoughts that it struck me as odd that I'd got into negotiations over a survey when I didn't even know if I liked the boat. After some reflection I decided I just didn't like it enough as it was and there was too much slipperiness in answering questions for me to feel comfortable dealing with him anyway. But then I had a call this afternoon. Allan said he'd been thinking about the survey and could I call him back to discuss it. I said I was a little busy right then and left it there. Anyway, this turned into much more of a ramble about my viewing experience than intended. I wonder what folk think of this though. Do folk think I'm probably right to have lost all interest, or perhaps is there a good deal to be had here, since the owner clearly wants to sell up and emigrate. He told me it's getting too expensive to fly back and forth to Thailand, mentioned how eager he is to get out there permanently, and called me a few times on Thurs morning before I was able to answer and arrange the viewing. I get the impression I'm the only one who's been to see it so far.
  11. Hello hello, we are currently working on buying a boat that's listed by Hartford Marina. We have gotten to the point where all that is left it to complete the purchase. Our broker has said that he will email the bill of sale to us once the payment is received. We have never bought anything substantial before, but were under the impression these things needed to be done face to face? We are based in London at the moment so it is far to travel--probably why the broker offered to do it electronically. Could anyone tell us what their experience is? Thank you, Micha
  12. Hi all, I am in the process of buying a narrowboat. I have had a survey done and all readings were looking great. The surveyor did the survey with the boat out the water just before it was blacked. After leaving, the seller jet washed the hull and began the blacking process. I have returned to see the boat a couple of times and due to the large investment am very wary. I am worried about the amount of pitting on the sides of the hull. I am attaching some photos for you all to see and to hopefully get some good advice. Note: I did not feel confident at the end of the survey. Though the readings came out high (see picture) there was just something about the surveyor that didn't instill confidence. Am I worrying over nothing? Or is this a clear 'walk away' case. This is my first boat. Thanks, any advice much appreciated!
  13. Does anyone know of anywhere that are still doing mortgages or loans? Obviously its not the most ideal way of buying a boat, but we would rather put the money into a mortgage on a boat than say renting a place with nothing to show for it after 10years. Sure we could get a house mortgage to mitigate this, but that required a big deposit and more importantly, knowing where you want to live for a long time. It seems most of the reliable places have stopped doing them pegasus marine finance seem to be the only option, anyone have any experience with them? Thanks, Alex.
  14. Did anybody else have really bad luck when trying to buy there first boat? We've been looking now for 2 years and put many offers in but its been one thing after the other... About 18 months ago we found 'our' boat it felt like home the second we both stepped onboard had everything we wanted and just felt natural to do it so as we viewed it just before closing time we decided to sort things out overnight and make an offer first thing in the morning after establishing that the one other person who had viewed it was interested in making an offer. Anyway spent a very late night sorting everything out and as a result slept through alarm and didn't get to call the broker until 11 to be told someone had emailed and offered full price without seeing it which had obviously been accepted very disappointing but oh well. Over the next 18 months of hard searching none of them felt right and those that came close something always went wrong with either personal circumstances, family bereavement or the offer falling through... Until Thursday when we saw that the boat from 18 months ago was back for up for sale albeit at a higher price. (YAY!!! second chance) so zoomed off there yesterday for a viewing to be told there was 2 offers on the table already but that as we had booked a viewing before they came in they would put ours through as well, anyway we viewed and it was just the same same feeling everything so we talk and then talk some more and put an offer in of £2000 more than the asking price (thinking it was worth it to us and pretty much guaranteeing that we wouldn't miss out again) only to be told this morning it was unsuccessful even though we had the highest offer because someone went in with a low offer but didn't want a survey. (grrrr!) Did anyone else have this sort of bad luck when trying to buy or is the universe just telling us that we're not meant to be boaters. Its been 2 years and the disappointment is getting very wearing...
  15. Good morning all, I'm a longtime reader of the forums but this is my first post! I've just completed the purchase of a 57 foot trad stern narrowboat, I am over the moon as I have wanted one since the age of 18, that was a fair amount of time ago! To cut a long story short, I completed the survey, which was undertaken by a guy named Will Flannery, whom I cannot recommend enough! He found that there were some minor pits which would need addressing, I contacted the boat yards welder who advised puddle welding should do the trick. There are a fair few around the water line, but they aren't deep enough to cause an issue... yet. The boat has recently been blacked so this will require dressing it back to expose the pits so they can be filled in. My question is, is it okay to locally re-black the immediate area around the welding? Or is it more advisable to remove the coating and redo it once welding work has been completed? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Doug
  16. Hi all, this is my first post so please be gentle. Me and my girlfriend are about to buy a narrowboat. we know wat we are after but don't know which brokers to trust. Over the past year we have visited many of the well known ones and we sort of understand how it all works. But we have heard about horror stories! Can anybody give us advice on who is the least likely to take us for a ride and who we need to avoid. We know we want to go with a broker as we don't want all the admin and potential risk, but we don't know who to trust. I might be being a little paranoid, if so then tell me that! Haha. Any other advice about brokers would be extremely helpful. Thanks everyone. Jamie
  17. Hello all and thanks for all the useful stuff I have already discovered by lurking. My wife and I currently live in a 12' x 35' residential park home. We plan to buy a 57' narrow boat (or thereabouts) and we will initially divide our time between the two homes. Longer term we intend to live full time on the boat and when funds allow spend our time cruising. I should also point out that we have lived in a two person tent for five months in the past. Quite a few people have drawn a sharp breath when we have rejected the idea of hiring a boat for a week or two just to get a feel for it before we buy as we might not like living in such a small space. We have been on quite a few boats now including spending a day on one and we are convinced that space isn't an issue. Given the cost of hiring we would rather invest the money in the search and to pay for surveys. What do the panel think? Are we making a huge mistake?
  18. I'm very new to the boat would, I know very little. Any information would be helpful I'm an architect student and a design consultant. I had a friend of mine who has just brought a 12ft widebeam and it's between 50-60ft long, he asked me to design the interior for him. I was shocked at the space inside and after talking about how much the shell cost him and how much it costs to live on the water, I fell in love with the idea. I love small spaces, but i dislike narrow spaces, so a widebeam is perfect for me, but I don't see the point in having an overly long boat. I wanted to be informed or advised is there anything wrong or disadvantage of having a widebeam only 30ft long? My friend tells me that will be a maximum of 24ft living space. I have put this in a CAD programs and come up with a few designs. I believe I could easily live comfortable and happily within this space. I'm worried about electric and water consumption. I like to shower every day. I also pretty much spend all day working on my pc and laptop, I'm worried the tv/monitor will consume to much power. Any advice or any information will help. I don't plan of paying for mooring, I like the idea of traveling up and down a lock each week or two
  19. Hello Canal World. Me and my partner are heading off this week for a second viewing of the boat we have fallen for, we are total newbies so any and all tips are welcome. Of course we will be getting a full survey. A little extra info. We will be living aboard and continuously cruising around London (and anywhere else within a commutable distance). The boat has gas central heating & multi fuel stove Both pump out and cassette toilets Semi-trad BSC until 2017 Recently blackened Thanks in advance and very much looking forward to meeting some of you soon on the cut. :-)
  20. I have just been approached by what I can only describe as a scammer in regards to selling my narrowboat and wanted to make you all aware that this is happening! I received an email with what appeared to be genuine questions regarding the boat and its condition etc from a gmail.com email account then the next email I received asked me to provide my paypal email address so they could send payment, they were then suggesting that they would arrange for their shipping company to arrange collection once I had received the money... However paypal can freeze payments until a dispute is resolved and if its just your word against theirs you could easily find yourself VERY out of pocket... Needless to say I will not be replying to anymore emails from this person... Please all sellers but aware and vigilant when selling your boat on the internet!
  21. Yesterday I put the deposit down on a boat that was beautifully cared for... until the progress of time sadly brought it to need selling. I need to get it surveyed and check that I'm not letting myself in for more than I expected! The main thing I need to know is how to get a straight, competent and thorough survey (south Midlands / near Napton Junction). Rust in & out is an obvious concern. The hull has not been blacked since 2013 and the stern bay shows hull rust all round the stern gland area. It is on a shoreline with galvanic isolator, and I suspect has been for years. I could find no access to the main bilge, so I might assume the inside of the hull has been unattended for 10+ years. I didn't see any sign of persistent condensation/damp, which is encouraging. Groping underwater, I think I found an anode - sharp and not much of it left. There is also a lot of growth on the hull, also feeling sharp. The broker told me I can't be present while the surveyor works (and suggested meeting afterwards), because COVID and because I'm not insured to go into their dry dock. This was an unpleasant surprise for me, because I was expecting to be alongside asking a lot of questions. Am I constrained to use their dry dock, or could I find a more permissive one? Being uninsured does not bother me, I think it's an exclusion. Do any surveyors do video chat / livestreaming while working? Is the broker likely to be actively hiding a serious problem by these constraints? If so, what are the biggest to consider and how could I uncover them? I do expect to do serious refitting work on the boat, including (eventually & slowly) new floor, but I'm not in a position to do it all at once. It has to be a steady project in stages and I need to liveaboard while I'm doing it. I'm sure this is not a new question and on this occasion I confess to jumping in with the deposit before retro-lurking CWDF for advice on surveyors. ?
  22. im on the verge of buying a used boat that would be getting delivered from Yorkshire. the woman said its older than 1972 and it do's not have a hull number or a name so i'm wondering how to go about buying it, also can anyone guide me on checking the engine serial number as well i have it here if any one can help get posting please. there was one peace of information she offered and that was this "SAND MARTIN 3D PLUS MARINE.................. SO YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS OURS - IF YOU CAN FIND ANYTHING ON WELL............" her husband had a look that was after i asked for the hull number but she said its older than 1972. how can i protect myself and be able to reclaim my money if its stolen something like a affidavit...
  23. So, I fancy this narrow boat life but I am new to boating. What advice would you give a newbie looking to buy a boat? Things I think I want/need to consider: Between 50' and 60' Survey before buying - what red flags (e.g. thin hull steel)? Reverse or conventional layout? Engine - what's important? Heating - radiators plus stove I have heard coal/wood stoves are very messy - should I go for diesel? I need to work so need enough power through the year for laptop/computer/internet Anything else - what do you wish you had known when you bought your first boat? Many thanks, Alan
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