No, no connection with anyone in the boating world. As stated in my original post I have been using a relative's boat for the last 6 months and have got the bug and am thinking of buying one myself. The second hand market has a load of rubbish so therefore I am thinking new. I visited a couple of builders which included Orchard who are not to far from me, I was very impressed with their product and their payment system which is a £1k down payment, pay for the hull when it arrives which is then yours and then the final payment when the boat is handed over. So I am only interested in hearing from someone who has actually had a boat built by Orchard not the argument of new against second hand. Hope this clears things up for the doubters.