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  1. Hello again Well, a good deal of head scratching has drawn up two more answers to my own query; Ulverston Canal, nationalised with LMS but sold to Ulverston UDC. Cromford Canal (upper part) sold to Derbyshire County Council. I think these were lock stock and barrel, but I may be wrong. I think many other transfers conform to Patrick's point - which were more a disposal of the site of the canal, rather than the canal as a possibly-viable entity. And I do take your point, Patrick, about CRT and isolated waterways - perhaps it should control the main network and possible additions. Quite a problem if the EA waterways v=ver come in - and what about the Tees? I shall refer all this to the Department of Very Odd Waterways Queries!! Regards Joseph
  2. Thanks Peter I did wonder about the Ashby - I'm not sure if handing over a filled-in canal quite qualifies, but the Grand Western was partly dry when Devon took it over. Regards Joseph
  3. Thanks for this The Councils took over the Basingstoke from the New Basingstoke Canal Company - the one formed to buy the Canal in 1948 when the IWA sought to a acquire it at auction. I can see a long thread developing from this! Joseph
  4. Many Thanks Ray Definitely one for the list of odd exceptions - I doubt if many records were handed over with the transfer! Joseph
  5. Afternoon everyone It's now just 50 years since the isolated section of the Grand Western Canal was handed over, following a campaign of sorts, by BWB to Devon County Council. With this, as I have been discovering, went quite a few records of the Canal, transferred to Devon Archives. It seems to have been "lock stock and barrel" (LSB!!), unlike other transfers of odd lengths. Now, here is the question - was the Grand Western the only such transfer - a potentially viable waterway handed over to a local authority for possible preservation? Are there other candidates? I would leave out from this the handing over of part of the Shropshire Union Newport branch to Newport council (now Gtelford & Wrekin) as a non-navigable amenity, parts of the St Helens for local mooring (Widnes and Fiddlers Ferry), a bit of the Dudley Canal No 2 to Halesowen, and a lot of waterways sold or given piecemeal for destruction or what-you-will (like the Monmouthshire, to Cwmbran NT and Caerphilly and other local authorities). And, of course the Southern Stratford, for which the freehold was transferred (but not, seemingly, records) in 1965 before being transferred back with a large endowment. Any thoughts, anyone - or was, as I suspect, the Grand Western a unique case? I would be very interested in any speculations! Joseph
  6. Evenin all Can't shed much light on Jasmine, but yes, John Humphries (that spelling, also known as A C Humphries) was IWA Chair in early 1970s and owned Clevanda. Joseph
  7. Morning all Great to see this Ray (and Duncan). It's a good resource, and the more people can look through and add information, the more useful it will become. Take care everyone. Joseph
  8. Thanks Jubbly Actually, in IWA Midlands Branch newsletters he is described as Phillip Hutchings with a G! Good to see this corrected. What are your memories of him? Best wishes Joseph
  9. Hi Jubbly Many thanks. Keith Christie was with the Knights on their trip through the Ashton with Bruce. I've seen reference to Phillip Hutchings - was he related to David H? Many thanks Joseph
  10. Many thanks Jubbly I had seen the film, and Mr and Mrs Knight had featured greatly. They contributed a great deal. And then......?? Do you mean that they parted company? I've found reference to them installing lock gates on the Stratford in February 1964, and at the Stratford Canal reopening, but Mr Knight left the Midlands Branch Committee in December 1964 (along with David Hutchings), and I have not traced any reference to him in the Midlands Branch Navigation in 1965-6. As an aside, I was just wondering whether there are other sound recordings of Robert Aickman and Lionel Munk. RFA had a very mannered, posh accent, but came across as quite mild. Any further thoughts as to the fate of the Knights would be very welcome. Thanks again Joseph
  11. Good morning again! I'm trying to find out a bit of background to Brian and Rosemary Knight of Coventry, who were leading members in the IWA Midlands Branch in the 1960s. They were involved with the Ashton Canal cruise in Bruce, and other protest cruises, and helped out heavily in the Stratford restoration, fitting many lock gates. In many ways, they seem to have been unsung heroes. Does anyone know more about their later involvement with canals, and what happened to them? All information gratefully received! Joseph
  12. Good morning all Oh dear - I suspect this note was penned in haste....!! I volunteer at the Archive - it has only been safe to reopen for volunteers for the last two weeks. We now have an excellent new Archivist, but a smaller number of volunteers able to help. I'm not sure when normal service will be resumed - but, at the moment, fairly heroic efforts are needed. May I encourage everyone to have a look at the online photographic archives - some of the descriptions could do with clarification. I spent a lot of time in lockdown going through some of these - but often one needs an intimate knowledge of a particular place (or person or boat) to be able to comment. It would be great if people could help - it will improve what is a major resource. Best wishes Joseph
  13. Evening Ray Well, I would need very substantial travelling expenses! There are two copies of Pick's report - one a draft, which is interesting. Regards Joseph
  14. Evenin' all This is a complex question - but Patrick has it absolutely right over the Swansea and Neath; one was railway-owned, the other wasn't. Control of the former railway canals in South Wales (none with any significant traffic) was with the Railway Executive at first, then passed to the control of South Wales Docks until 1958. My understanding is that nationalisation concerned companies that were under wartime control, and one would need to look at the Pick Report for that. The Rochdale had no traffic outside the Manchester area by 1945, and Pick had recommended closure. There were some reconstruction works in wartime, but no traffic resulted. I think that the Ship canal Company was regarded as a dock system, with the Bridgewater something of a feeder, and there was no general nationalisation of dock and ports under the 1947 Act. The railway-owned canals passed to the DIWE because nationalisation was based on the taking over of companies, and that included railway companies that owned all sorts of assets that had very little to do with railway operations! In an alternative world, had there been no existing controls like those of wartime, and had the 1945 Government formed a public corporation that would take over the assets that it felt it could develop (as happened with road haulage to some extent), it is likely that most of the waterways would not have been taken over - certainly Pick saw no future for narrow canals. So there wouldn't be a system at all, just a number or inland navigations based on rivers and ports, and any question for keeping waterways for leisure would not have arisen - the smaller waterways would not have been in public ownership. Luckily for the waterways, the 1945 government was keen to pursue nationalisation, and the easiest and quickest way to achieve this was to continue wartime control and take over almost all waterways-owning companies. My understanding, anyway. Heartland, thanks for a very useful list. There must be some more to add, but bar the Weaver to Frodsham (no authority!), I can't think of any. Hope this is of interest. Stay safe everyone! Joseph
  15. Evenin' all I contributed to the Golden Age film - I did comment on the script, although naturally the film-maker followed his own view! Ignoring my own bit, I did enjoy the film visually without following the whole narrative. There was a two-part Golden Age of Steam follow-up, which seems to have been much less shown. I contributed to the first of these, at Tywyn. Some puzzling comments about the involvement of volunteers, something that we keep hearing about - I tend to agree with Rose and Fanshaft on this, but will resist the temptation to go on and on about this and other points raised! Unless people would like me to...... Barbara Castle was indeed a canal enthusiast in her own way - and she certainly related how the Treasury wanted to save some public money by closing any waterways that would have been more financially viable if they were water channeled or eliminated. She resisted this partly because she was a Blackburn MP, and because she had been on canal holidays! Had someone else been Minister, like her predecessor, the former Scottish mineworker Tom Fraser, it is likely that the Treasury view would have prevailed. Sometimes, just sometimes, it matters exactly who is in the right place at the right time. (Sometimes, it is pretty irrelevant, but not here). A lot of points raised here, but I'll leave it there for now. Stay safe, everyone Joseph
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