Ewan123

Interesting thought, I would want this at the boat-end of the line though as I always tie off on the boat to discourage fiddling from passersby. I'll play with one of those I think. First thought is whether it would remain in place well enough with the motion caused by passing boats.

Seems nice, but it would surely get damaged/vandalised often enough that the expense of maintaining it (in addition to the original install) could become prohibitive.

* unless (if craned out) the survey reveals any issues severe enough that they refuse to crane it back in (e.g. not considered structurally sound).

Thanks. I wonder... there's a chance I might be distantly related to you by marriage 😄 I think there was some rumour that my wife's Grandad Murrell was the son of a boating family.

That's sort of the idea I was thinking of, though apparently that one can come loose under too little or too great a load 😕 I'm also thinking it's unrealistic as I prefer to double up my lines, having effectively 4 lines between each point.

Done and done, I just use a figure 8 on our T-stud, free end left loosely coiled. Oh well, I'll stop trying to overcomplicate things. I do like playing with knots though so might just have a go.

Realistically impossible to achieve in a cost-effective manner I would imagine. Administrating and policing the system would almost certainly cost more than would be raised by it.

This is probably more thought experiment than something of use, but here goes. I wondered whether anyone uses/ can recommend a knot that could be tied midway along a mooring line, such that a quick pull on the knot would release extra length in the line (to be used in case of swiftly dropping water levels, for example). As I type this, I know the best approach is probably either "moor somewhere less risky" or "keep an eye on levels and adjust line length as required", but it's fun to think about. Any such knot would need to not go solid with the repeated tensioning as the boat moves around, and be deliberately releasable while under significant tension. 🤔 I write this as I watch us slowly descend in a relatively short pound and remember a night back in London, waking up to find the boat on a Big Tilt after someone left paddles open.

It's been nice to see Pegasus out and about over the last couple of weeks, I'm not sure the history but I get the impression it's only recently that Michael Pinnock has got it fully restored again and working on the fuel runs on the Lee Navigation.

They are remarkably good at sneaking up from behind. I do check over my shoulder regularly but some of them move rather swiftly! I had a pair do just that and suddenly appear in line with the stern where there really wasn't enough space; they also didn't appreciate that in order to give them more space in front, the stern of my boat would have likely crushed them first as the boat pivoted.

Yes, we are truly in it right now.

Sounds like a good reason to hold off cutting for a bit I like bees.

Have you given feedback to CRT? Grumbling here won't help.

If it gets to that point, a canal which doesn't even offer value for water supply is going to be even less likely to be maintained. How would the canal not supplying water make it more likely to be maintained for navigation? We don't, I promise (at least the good ones don't). The process is made complicated by all of the planning and legislative hoops that need to be navigated for something like a DCO application (BTW: A Development Consent Order (DCO) is the means of obtaining permission for developments categorised as Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects (NSIP)). Unfortunately this process is so complex and requires such specialist skills and knowledge, that it's rarely practical for them to be undertaken 'in house' without seeking help from various consultants.

Only if we assume that the layman opinions here are better informed and more capable of assessing the scheme than the professionals...

Was the waterline definitely the full extent of the zinc and epoxy treatments? It seems odd to go through all the shot-blasting etc. involved only to leave a strip of bitumen blacking between the waterline and the gunwales. Was it definitely not zinc/epoxied up to the top rubbing strake? Debdale did ours up to the rubbing strake, that seemed to be their default approach.

I just wonder whether something like this might be more vulnerable to getting worn down than the solid chain variety. At least that outer sheath would probably start falling off quite soon I expect.

Well yes, quite.

I wonder whether this proposal would have any effect on sediment build-up and water quality/appearance on the canals concerned. I would expect the treated wastewater to at least appear clear, it might even be better quality than the stuff in the canal already (being full of agricultural runoff etc.) without a sediment load, so perhaps it might lead to a slight reduction in that at least. Or maybe it would just move sediment downstream with pounds acting as settling tanks. 🤔

Yes, that too.

That's probably because London has a higher proportion of young boaters than elsewhere in the country (in my experience). Also this forum is mostly just full of grumpy old folk, grumping about the yoofs

Creating that new pipeline would be a pretty huge cost though, at least with the GU proposal they won't generally have to deal with hundreds of grumpy landowners (a process that sucks a lot of time and money from any such project). Also, shhh We want more money spent on maintaining the waterways, right?

It certainly won't be cheap, but in the context of alternatives I suspect it might not be the most expensive option.

That's just not really how it works, one area can suffer extreme variation while another doesn't. This also isn't about a river that relies on natural replenishment of water, it's about an urban area producing surplus treated wastewater that could be used elsewhere.

What does Cumbria have to do with it? They're planning to take water from Birmingham. That's the Midlands, not up North.