Dave Hannigan

We are considering a boating holiday in France next July. Having never been out of the country before any advice on places & companies to hire from would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Dave & Carol

Thought gaffer tape & WD40 were the only tools required for every job If it doesn't move & should use WD40 If it does move & shouldn't use gaffer tape B)

From a CORGI fitters perspective, the rules laid down by CORGI, state that 'ALL APPLIANCES FITTED ARE TO BE ROOM SEALED APPLIANCES EXCEPT COOKING APPLIANCES' Its not a case of we may refuse to fit non room sealed appliances- we have no choice. Bear in mind that if we did fit a non room sealed appliance and it didnt work properly so the manufacturer gets called in they may well report you to CORGI for it. If that happens they revoke your registration and your livelihood goes up sh!t creek. This is one of those instances there are two different guidelines on the same subject which just causes confusion.

I keep getting told the same, hence the post. I did LPG for other reasons as well the boats element was given as a freebie. I suppose boaters are no different to house holders-wait till it goes wrong then expect a service to put it all right. Always puzzled why people will service engines (car & boat) to prolong its life but not gas appliances. I can see your logic but you are relying on the BSS to flag any faults every 4 years, this in IMO is too far between checks. Certainly on open flued appliances. My assumption is that most builders will already have their own fitter, and doing the work on a CC basis would obviously count this out. This why I was asking about annual service / safety checks. The idea that I would be on the same area of the network at approx the same time each year. unfortunatly I am based in Blackpool so a trip to Bristol would be an expensive trip. like I said I am just trying to guage reaction at the moment

Many of todays condensing boilers use aliminium heat exchangers and the pipes to it in the boiler are copper. The boiler manufacturers insist that a corrosion inhibitor be added. Dave

We're starting a week saturday have allowed 2 weeks Good luck

Yes corgi LPG & boats This just to try and guage comments. I hadn't even considered the idea until it was suggested to me at Crick. Personally when we do get our boat that will be gas free looking at diesel ranges at the moment.

While at Crick over the bank holiday and looking over a part finished boat (the name escapes me now). We were saying we wanted a boat but could not afford a ready built with mooring and were looking at sailaway or shell and fit as we go but couldnt do anything until we could find a mooring or at least a guarantee of future mooring and a hardstanding to fit out the boat whilst we wait. When they found out I was a gas fitter the they said 'theres loads of gas work on the cut, why dont you get a boat and CC doing gas work' This has now got me thinking is this a possibility, could it be done?. So a quick market research. If I was at the same part of the system at 12 monthly intervals would anybody be interested in an annual service and safety check on their boat??? Please feel free to shoot me down in flames or add any constructive critisisms

Posted this morning and went out for day. Got 4 replys so sent to earliest many apologies to those too late, I have PM'd them. dave

Another one here to anybody interested - same procedure Dave

We're going booked into Watford Gap travelodge inn thingy for sat & sun night with 3day tickets. On the map it looks like a nice stroll up the towpath to the show-can anyone confirm or deny this?? Will have to make several trips to beer tent if real ale on. May also have to go to Wembley on the sunday afternoon if Blackpool make the playoff final

This is not so, we can work on existing non room sealed appliances but cannot install new ones, either as first fix OR replacement. If an existing appliance was found to be not working safely then a warning notice would be issued and permission sought, from the owner, to disconnect the appliance. If that permission is denied there is nothing we can do !!! It is not a CO sensor it is an oxygen depletion sensor and works on principal that if the appliance is faulty and CO is being produced then it will deplete the available oxygen in the room, if there is a slight draught of fresh air near to the pilot then it is possible to produce enough CO to kill you before the unit shuts down. It has happened at least once to my knowledge. Not on a boat I hasten to add

You can also check on the CORGI website http://www.trustcorgi.com and get a list engineers in your area qualified for the area of work you are interested in

During our search (still going on) one marina owner, when asked about residential moorings said, 'we dont have residential moorings, but you can live aboard'

What surprises me given that there is currently another thread running about CO is that no one has mentioned it. Connecting up the gas with no leaks is the easy bit, after all we all have noses which usually detect gas before it gets to dangerous concentrations. After the installation are safety devices checked to make sure they work? If not how do know the appliance will fail safe? Is there enough ventilation for proper combustion? Lack of ventilation could result in poor combustion thus creating CO. It could also prevent the flue from working properly and allowing a build up of CO. On open flued appliances (still some about) is spillage test conducted to ensure Products of combustion are cleared by the flue? I am not trying to stop people fitting there own boats or houses themselves but CO kills far more people than gas explosions do, all I'm saying is be aware that there is more to gas fitting than just having no leaks.

Also is it possible to get broadbeam craft from the northern broad canals to the southern? If so is there a limit on the beam you can get through?

can it be burnt in a stove to heat the boat :lol:

This is usaully the case yes. I've googled moro but totally unable to find any instructions. Just a thought have you turned gas control knob to full flame after the pilot is lit??? Any chance of more photos from different angles so we can see the pipework arrangement???

Assuming model number OK it would appear to be the part. But as canal shop man says make sure you connected the pipes the right way round. Good luck

Unfortunatly I'm useless at explaining things. But basically when you open the tap the water pressure forces the diaphragm to move, this then opens the gas valve and allows gas to the main burner, assuming of course that the pilot is lit.

Not directly familiar with this but it probably has a diaphragm in the water section of the valve. This will probably have perished over the winter. Should be simple job to replace.

Its bl**dy tough here at the bottom

John, no surprisingly enough. With appliance ratings as stated and allowing 70% of the hob rating, the total draw will be 19KW or approx 0.75cubic m /hr. The maximum lenght of 10mm tube would be approx 13' and 15mm tube would be approx 30'. This assumes no elbows or fittings in the tube which would reduce the lenght even further. Therefore 12mm would be somewhere between 13' & 30'. Given an initial run of 40' this would an unacceptable pressure drop. The above figures will give a pressure drop of 2.5mb which is the max permissable drop on 37mb LPG system. Any more than 2.5mb should result in a failiure of the BSS, given possible consequnces of too high a pressure drop, i.e. extinguishing the hob or fridge when the water heater is used. Dave

Unfortunatley I dont have gas rates tables for 12mm tube the 2 closest being 10 & 15 but the rates are not linear. For instance 2 x 10mm tube 3m long would pass 2x 0.88Cubic m per hour or 1.76cubic m/hour, but 1 x 22mm tube x 3m would pass 8.01 cubic m/hour Having said that my instinct is that what you propose would work. It would be better if you could do the first 6' in 15mm. If not then keep the first section as short as possible.

Doing it one one circuit would require 22mm for the first 30' dropping to 15mm untill the tee for the hob. After that you could drop to 10mm for the rest of the run. Using 2 circuits and putting hob & fridge on one and water heater on the other is one way but some 15mm would be required at the start of the water heater run. Cant find any regs that would prevent the use of dual circuit 2 x 12mm run together and teed back together just before or just after the hob