rasputin

Its not the going in or out that is the problem, The problem is being used as a fender going up or down

I am happy to share a lock with other light plastic boats, or tucked in behind a metal 40foot boat, I will not share a lock with another single long canal boat again

We have been telling you we would rather you didn't do this for years, As of a month ago you had to stop doing this immediately with no notice, but now you still can until next year but we'd rather you didn't.

That's good, I didn't think I was the sort of person to appear on anybody's ignore list and I didn't think you were the sort of person to have a long one.

It would appear I am on somebody's ignore list lol

From boater updates:- Composting/separator toilets Over the last couple editions we’ve talked about composting/separator toilets and, more specifically, what to do with the solid waste. In response to correspondence, we’ve drawn up the following statement which, we hope, answers any outstanding concerns and queries: If you’re considering getting a separator/compost toilet for your boat, please only do so if you have the ability to completely compost the solid waste from your toilet yourself or have access to somewhere that will do this for you. If you don’t have the ability to do this, then getting a composting/separator toilet is not the best solution for you. Pump out and elsan facilities are available across our network that boats with tanks or cassette toilets can use instead. If you currently have a separator/compost toilet on your boat and are not able to completely compost the solid waste from your toilet yourself or have access to somewhere that will do it for you, then the alternative disposal method of bagging and binning it is not an environmentally sustainable way to deal with this waste. Bagged solid waste disposed of in bins can also lead to cross contamination of other content, which otherwise is sorted and mostly recycled, and can require that the whole content of the bin needing to be disposed of in landfill. Sending waste to landfill adds costs as landfill taxes are charged. If you have a separator/compost toilet on your boat and have been putting bagged and binned waste in our waste bins, you need to find an alternative way to dispose of this waste. We appreciate that you might not be able to do this straight away, and in the interim small quantities of securely bagged waste can be disposed of in Trust bins if there is no alternative. We respectfully ask that you only do this as a last resort. From the end of December 2021 we request that no bagged solid waste from separator/compost toilets is disposed of in Canal & River Trust waste bins. We will continue to work with boaters and others to identify a sustainable solution for the disposal of this waste. To save you revisiting past editions, the FAQs that featured in a previous one, now slightly amended, are below: Why has your advice about the disposal of solid waste from separator/compost toilets changed? We believe that there is a regulatory problem with the approach that we had which meant we had to change our guidance for boaters to disposing of solid waste at an appropriate composting site away from the canal rather than bagged up in our canal-side bins. We appreciate that, in the short term, the advice isn’t ideal for those with a separator/compost toilet, but we do need to ensure that our guidance complies with waste disposal regulations. Is this new guidance in force immediately? We appreciate that this change in guidance has happened at short notice so small quantities of this waste can be bagged and binned for a little while longer. We respectfully ask that you only do this as a last resort. From the end of December 2021 we request that no bagged solid waste from separator/compost toilets is disposed of in Canal & River Trust waste bins. Does this mean used nappies cannot be disposed of in your bins? No. Used nappies can still be placed along with other household waste just in the same way that land-based parents and carers would. If I can’t dispose of solid waste at a canal-side facility where should I put it? If you don’t have the space to store and let the composting process happen (around 12 months), your waste should be disposed of at a suitable composting site away from the canal. Putting partly-composted waste down an Elsan leads to blockages (as this waste is very dry) which are expensive to fix. Liquid from these toilets can still be disposed of in Elsans. What if I’m thinking about getting a separator/compost toilet for my boat? We strongly advise that you only do so if you have the ability to completely compost the solid waste from your toilet yourself or have access to somewhere that will do this for you. If you don’t have the ability to do this, then getting a separator/compost toilet is not the best solution for you. Pump out and elsan facilities are available across our network that boats with tanks or cassette toilets can use instead. Will this new guidance be in force forever? The Trust is concerned at the numbers of boaters who voiced issues because they have opted to dispose of their solid waste into bins rather than following the principles of sustainable composting. The bagging and binning of this type of waste is not an environmentally sustainable way of disposal and we strongly advise that boaters only use a separator/composting toilet if they have the ability to completely compost the solid waste from it or have access to somewhere that will do this for them. We will continue to work with any boaters and others to seek, identify and promote sustainable solutions for the disposal of this waste, including working with third parties who may be able to offer a service for those with composting/separator toilets. What will be done to find a way to deal with this waste from separator/compost toilets? We will support boaters and other partners who are keen to find sustainable ways to dispose of this waste. This could include supporting environmentally friendly and sustainable pilot projects that resolve this issue.

But it's not dried poo, It had been described as fudge by "composters" and if it is not kept on the boat for any time the last poo in the system will still be poo, not dried. Why do you think people do not know it is happening, I would have thought most people would be aware where nappies and dog poo goes, I admit there is probably some lack of knowledge about double incontinency, but I don't suppose there will be a lot of that, with people who use canal boats

What is the alternative for nappies? What is the alternative for dog poo? What is the alternative for double incontinence towels? What is the alternative for human faeces? Not overlooked at all, And yes I have read the whole thread. I have considered a Composting toilet, but not having a garden big enough do deal with a compost heap, I decided it was not for me, thinking putting bags of human poo in a bin was an unacceptable way to dispose of my waste, and given that there is a perfectly reasonable way of disposing of a chemical toilet. The thing I don't understand is why those that seem to be composting properly are in support of those that throw fudge in the bin.

My actions were as intended

If you asked the man on the Clapham omnibus whether it was acceptable to put a weeks worth of human faeces in a bag and put it in a "public " bin, what do you think the answer would be If you asked the same about dog poo or nappies do you think it would be different? Not sure where the baying crowd bit comes from, your potential actions are unpopular, that's all. And trying to make out that people who are not full time boaters shouldn't have an opinion is absurd.

New Boaters update Composting/separator toilets – your questions answered In the last edition we featured an article about composting toilets (which are perhaps more accurately called separator toilets as the composting doesn’t take place in situ). A few of you wrote in with some questions. Below you’ll find the answer to those asked most frequently: Why has your advice about the disposal of solid waste from composting/separator toilets changed? We believe that there is a regulatory problem with the approach that we had which meant we had to change our guidance for boaters to disposing of solid waste at an appropriate composting site away from the canal rather than bagged up in our canal-side bins. We appreciate that, in the short term, the advice isn’t ideal for those with a composting/separator toilet, but we do need to ensure that our guidance complies with waste disposal regulations. Does this mean used nappies cannot be disposed of in your bins? No. Used nappies can still be placed along with other household waste just in the same way that land-based parents and carers would. If I can’t dispose of solid waste at a canal-side facility where should I put it? If you don’t have the space to store and let the composting process happen (around 12 months), your waste should be disposed of at a suitable composting site away from the canal. Putting partly-composted waste down an Elsan leads to blockages (as this waste is very dry) which are expensive to fix. Liquid from these toilets can still be disposed of in Elsans Will this new guidance be in force forever? We are continuing to investigate the issue. At this point we don’t know if we will be able to identify a change that will allow an alternative disposal approach but want to try and work to find a better solution for those with composting/separator toilets. If you have any further questions, or an idea for a sustainable solution, please do drop me a line.

So how do you account for the foxes referring to it as fudge?

You don't have to get far into the Foxes latest video to find out what consistency the waste is that they are putting in the bins

Ah yes my mistake, too much googling definitions I forgot where I started... Can two women fornicate?

Can two women have sexual intercourse?

Hence my surprise, Obviously every single pee or poo doesn't go in the pot, I don't hold out while off the boat so I can deposit when I get back, and the wife doesn't create a lot, I can only assume others flush a lot more , and highlighted in recent times use more bogg roll!

I'm sure I don't poo over 2 litres a day, which would take us to 5 days

From the web "The normal range for 24-hour urine volume is 800 to 2,000 milliliters per day (with a normal fluid intake of about 2 liters per day)" 2 people could be 2l per day at 21 litre capacity that's over 10 days. You people must be flushing a lot. Yes I move when I am on the canal. I do carry a spare, but rarely use it, the last time was 2 weeks on the Norfolk Broads, Not many elsan points there.

I don't know how you can cruise if you have to empty it every 2 days, But it does explain why there was a q at the last camp site i visited where there was a q at the elsan point on only the second day that the site was open, Thetford 165, 21litres (wife doesn't drink a lot) I do let it fill up, maybe people just empty it when its half full or after one use as I thought that must be happening on the campsite.

Gosh, We get a week out of ours, would drive me mad if I had to empty it every second day

or E5?

There is a bit of generalisation in this thread I have no problem maintaining 4mph on any canal I have been on, although just above 3.5mph Gps is better for fuel consumption. No need for me to slow down going past moored boats, but I do. Weighing less than a ton there is no way I am going to move a 20 ton boat to any degree I always get shouted at, probably because I have an outboard, I either laugh or quite often reverse to educate the blasphemer mostly falling on deaf ears. I have never shouted at another boater to slow down. People generally hate being overtaken on the canal I have been run into several times, not good in a plastic boat.

Tricycle limit is 350W

an easy thing to check is the fuel vent, when it stops undo the fuel cap then do it back up and see if it starts.

Its just about hitting the tip on the seabed then moving backwards, so that the tip can start to dig in before the shaft lies on the seabed. so ensure you are moving before it hits in the senario that you are heading towards a weir you are already moving with respects to the riverbed so as long as you don't feed it out too fast it should work , I know easier said than done on a panicking boat heading towards a weir. and how you manage to accomplish this safety from the back of a narrowboat is anybody's guess. On the anchor tests I have seen the anchor chain is payed out to fast ending up with the danforth flat on the seabed hoping it will dig in Hopefully as a result of this thread some river travellers will be out there practising, Which cant be a bad thing and it would be nice to see some results back on the forum. Something I have spent several hours doing on my seaboats as in my situation good anchoring was as important as good sailing