"New" Hazards appearing on the River Trent

[Tony Dunkley]

NC post. An owner with great experience of this type, including a lot of lumpy work...

 

 

 

I really don't see how derogatory remarks about the way she makes custard or porridge are relevant to any of this.

Edited September 16, 2014 by tony dunkley

[Naughty Cal]

 

If that's so, I hope I never have to stand under anything she's been in charge of constructing.

Highly unlikely as I'm a civil engineer so the vast majority of the projects I work on are at ground level or below!

 

Yes, it certainly is, and in it's common usage it is a practical and useful way of comparing or assessing towing capabilities.

So Tony. Your own posts have agreed with mine in that NC isn't a great tow boat. So why the need to continue to argue!

 

Do you just argue with anyone for the sake of it?

 

And you wondered why CRT had what you perceived to be a vendetta against you. Did you ever stop to step back and find out what the issue might be?

Edited September 17, 2014 by Naughty Cal

[John V]

Bollard pull is a very very specialist subject. (and also a matter of disagreement between designers)

 

She might be well acquainted with civil engineering and may well have a suitable background to understand the mathematics underpinning it. However that statement of hers shows she either was not thinking when she typed it or does not understand it's application.

 

NC I have re-read my post and although it seems to have a slightly disparaging tone I can assure you it was not meant to and it could and should have been phrased better. My apologies

 

My argument was not about the suitability of Naughty Cal as a towing vessel my point was a flaw in your argument.

 

The size and weight of an vessel being towed is not very relevant to the power or size of the vessel towing,providing the towing vessel is able to provide sufficient thrust for the manoeuvre required.

As an example on the river Orwell I watched a Thames sailing barge (200 tons?) being moved round the moorings at Pin Mill by a dinghy with a small outboard (incidentally anyone thinking of a similar manoeuvre the best way of maintaining control is with the towing vessel strapped alongside)

[Naughty Cal]

 

NC I have re-read my post and although it seems to have a slightly disparaging tone I can assure you it was not meant to and it could and should have been phrased better. My apologies

 

My argument was not about the suitability of Naughty Cal as a towing vessel my point was a flaw in your argument.

 

The size and weight of an vessel being towed is not very relevant to the power or size of the vessel towing,providing the towing vessel is able to provide sufficient thrust for the manoeuvre required.

As an example on the river Orwell I watched a Thames sailing barge (200 tons?) being moved round the moorings at Pin Mill by a dinghy with a small outboard (incidentally anyone thinking of a similar manoeuvre the best way of maintaining control is with the towing vessel strapped alongside)

The sailing barge wasnt aground though

[John V]

The sailing barge wasnt aground though

 

Irrelevant ......a narrow boat would be very likely to be unable to "unstick itself" after running aground as the thrust available to it is very low....especially going astern.....for the same reasons it was very unlikely to have been very firmly aground.

Therefore the extra thrust required to "unstick" it in addition to that it could provide itself would be likely to be very small and could probably be provided by..........a small light vessel...............

[Timleech]

We came down from Sawley to Torksey a few days ago, drawing 3'6" static, quite a bit more under way, without any depth problems. Maybe we were lucky.

On the way upstream, we sniffed the bottom mid-channel at the top end of the island just above Beeston, took it steady there on the way down and didn't notice anything.

There's a massive beach of the outside of the bend above Stoke lock, obvious to see but I could feel the pull from it in the middle of the river. There were a couple of other spots where I could feel the shallows pulling, but no problems resulting.

I did get serious verbal abuse from a couple of anglers on the way up, I'd taken a line well to the outside of a bend and hadn't seen them hiding in the bushes!

 

Tim

[davehull]

We came down from Cromwell Lock to Torksey Lock Monday morning. We passed a Narrowboat sat 6" out of the water on a sand bank at the sharp corner just before Dunham Bridge. He had clearly cut the corner and got stuck. We had little difficulty on the trip but it was very easy to see that level was very low. The locky at Torksey says with tides how they are it will be next Wednesday before there is enough water to re float the beached boat above Dunham bridge.

[Naughty Cal]

We came down from Cromwell Lock to Torksey Lock Monday morning. We passed a Narrowboat sat 6" out of the water on a sand bank at the sharp corner just before Dunham Bridge. He had clearly cut the corner and got stuck. We had little difficulty on the trip but it was very easy to see that level was very low. The locky at Torksey says with tides how they are it will be next Wednesday before there is enough water to re float the beached boat above Dunham bridge.

 

Quite common there. People dont realise how far that sand bank comes out into the river. Conversley though there is a shoal on the outside of that bend also where the sand from the hillside falls into the river! (Which is why it is a good idea to have your Trent charts to hand)

 

Find the channel though and its quite deep on that corner. We have seen depths of well over 20ft on that corner on the depth sounder.

Edited September 17, 2014 by Naughty Cal

[Timleech]

We came down from Cromwell Lock to Torksey Lock Monday morning. We passed a Narrowboat sat 6" out of the water on a sand bank at the sharp corner just before Dunham Bridge. He had clearly cut the corner and got stuck. We had little difficulty on the trip but it was very easy to see that level was very low. The locky at Torksey says with tides how they are it will be next Wednesday before there is enough water to re float the beached boat above Dunham bridge.

 

Apparently 'his wife was steering'

 

Not the first to use that excuse.

 

Tim

[Naughty Cal]

 

Apparently 'his wife was steering'

 

Not the first to use that excuse.

 

Tim

Funny how many blokes turn up to the garage where Liam works with damaged cars using that excuse

[Tony Dunkley]

Highly unlikely as I'm a civil engineer so the vast majority of the projects I work on are at ground level or below!

 

So Tony. Your own posts have agreed with mine in that NC isn't a great tow boat. So why the need to continue to argue!

 

Do you just argue with anyone for the sake of it?

 

And you wondered why CRT had what you perceived to be a vendetta against you. Did you ever stop to step back and find out what the issue might be?

 

No, I haven't agreed with any of the tripe you've been posting, but I have been rather amused by your enthusiasm for displaying your obvious lack of any relevant knowledge and experience.

 

Again no, I argue with those I believe to be wrong.

Edited September 17, 2014 by tony dunkley

[phill]

Maybe we can all agree that a tow off by Naughty Cal would probably cause more problems than it would solve given her attitude and lack of experience and that it's best that she just carries on without interfering.

 

Maybe the RNLI, with their RIBs who routinely rescue and tow heavier boats know something she doesn't.

Edited September 17, 2014 by phill

[Tony Dunkley]

Maybe we can all agree that a tow off by Naughty Cal would probably cause more problems than it would solve given her attitude and lack of experience and that it's best that she just carries on without interfering.

 

Maybe the RNLI, with their RIBs who routinely rescue and tow heavier boats know something she doesn't.

 

Yes, well said, I couldn't agree more.

 

Edit to add :-- Could NC be one of the hazards the OP had in mind?

Edited September 17, 2014 by tony dunkley

[John V]

Maybe we can all agree that a tow off by Naughty Cal would probably cause more problems than it would solve given her attitude and lack of experience and that it's best that she just carries on without interfering.

 

Maybe the RNLI, with their RIBs who routinely rescue and tow heavier boats know something she doesn't.

[PaulG]

[Naughty Cal]

Maybe we can all agree that a tow off by Naughty Cal would probably cause more problems than it would solve given her attitude and lack of experience and that it's best that she just carries on without interfering.

 

Maybe the RNLI, with their RIBs who routinely rescue and tow heavier boats know something she doesn't.

Maybe its the RNLI's job to rescue boats.

 

It isnt mine

[Dharl]

Maybe its the RNLI's job to rescue boats.

 

It isnt mine

 

happens to be the RNLI's 'JOB' (of them generally unpaid volunteers) to save LIVES rather than rescue boats. However generally by rescuing the boats they save lives too! In all fairness the RNLI's boats are designed for possibility of towing other craft and have suitable equipment to do so which I am sure NC dosnt have built to the same standard.

 

EDT My Dyslexic writing tripping me up again!

Edited November 5, 2014 by Dharl

[Tony Dunkley]

Maybe its the RNLI's job to rescue boats.

 

It isnt mine

 

It isn't the RNLI's 'job' either, they are, and always have been, primarily for the preservation of life, not property.

 

PS. Nice picture of your boat put on here this morning, is that a 48 hour or 14 day rock that it's on ?

Edited November 5, 2014 by Tony Dunkley

[Tony Dunkley]

 

happens to be the RNLI's 'JOB' (of them generally unpaid volunteers) to save LIVES rather than rescue boats. However generally by rescuing the boats they save lives too! In all fairness the RNLI's boats are designed for possibility of towing other craft and have suitable equipment to do so which I am sure NC dosnt have built to the same standard.

 

EDT My Dyslexic writing tripping me up again!

 

Suitable crew as well . . . something NC definitely doesn't have.

[Dharl]

Well I couldn't comment on training and ability of NC's crew, though I have a very high respect for the training of the RNLI's crew as know (and done) the training that they have to undertake.

[Naughty Cal]

 

Suitable crew as well . . . something NC definitely doesn't have.

 

How would you know that?

 

According to you we have never met

Well I couldn't comment on training and ability of NC's crew, though I have a very high respect for the training of the RNLI's crew as know (and done) the training that they have to undertake.

 

 

happens to be the RNLI's 'JOB' (of them generally unpaid volunteers) to save LIVES rather than rescue boats. However generally by rescuing the boats they save lives too! In all fairness the RNLI's boats are designed for possibility of towing other craft and have suitable equipment to do so which I am sure NC dosnt have built to the same standard.

 

EDT My Dyslexic writing tripping me up again!

Tony doesnt let facts like that get in the way of another argument though

 

It isn't the RNLI's 'job' either, they are, and always have been, primarily for the preservation of life, not property.

 

PS. Nice picture of your boat put on here this morning, is that a 48 hour or 14 day rock that it's on ?

Im getting more and more concerned about your sanity Tony.

 

It looks bugger all like NC and as the rock is at sea there isnt a time limit for mooring on it.

[Tony Dunkley]

 

How would you know that?

 

According to you we have never met

 

Tony doesnt let facts like that get in the way of another argument though

Im getting more and more concerned about your sanity Tony.

 

It looks bugger all like NC and as the rock is at sea there isnt a time limit for mooring on it.

 

Are you quite sure about that ? I thought there were strict time limits laid down in the 2014 Mooring on Rocks Act.

[Galeomma]

To go back to bollard pull -

the emergency towing arrangement on the below ship has a bollard pull of 4000KN which is about 410tonnes off the top of my head.

That ship has a gross registered tonnage of 81472.

[Naughty Cal]

 

Are you quite sure about that ? I thought there were strict time limits laid down in the 2014 Mooring on Rocks Act.

As I said your sanity is coming into question.

[KenK]

Somewhat off topic as I was on the Trent and Mersey canal at Rugely, last Monday

 

We needed a few items from Tesco so pulled into the C&RT visitor mooring just before the bridge next to Tesco or at least that was the intention, as the rear of the boat came in there was a nasty grinding noise and we stopped. Investigation revealed we had gone aground on what used to be, before it fell into the canal, a large lump of concrete attached to which was a mooring ring. The rear of the boat had settled neatly on this pushing it down into the mud on the bottom, the front being nice and free then decided it wanted to play on the other side of the canal so off it set. Loud revving and large volumes of water emerging from the rear of the boat had no effect so off to the front to obtain the boat pole. The front of the boat by this time had reached the offside and was being fended off the bushes / brambles by the boss with a boat hook. Boat pole in hand I returned through the boat to the rear and proceeded to push, nothing happened other than the possibility of a double hernia for yours truly. We had been stuck for about five minutes when emerging under the bridge in front of us appeared a narrowboat, we of course are right across the canal and therefore in his way, hence no doubt sounding his horn to alert us to his presence was no doubt a reasonable idea. After the fourth sounding of the horn I would have assumed he would have worked out that there might just be a problem but if so it didn't stop him driving his boat forward with the horn still blowing until he almost reached the side of ours and was forced to stop. A lady ( I use the term advisedly) appeared at the front of their boat and cried you are in our way, yes my wife replied we have a problem the rear of the boat is aground and we are trying to get it off the obstruction. She replied that's all very well but we are in a hurry, I'm sorry was the reply but you'll just have to wait until we have freed the boat. The husband abandoned the helm and appeared shouting the odds at the bow, given his language I also abandoned the rear of our boat and went to explain. I started politely but unfortunately "George" was not interested in any explanation, I did suggest he could attach a rope to his front T stud and try pulling us forward but he wasn't having any of that we might damage his paintwork. Given that he was not prepared to help I suggested he reversed out of the way and allow me to carry on freeing the boat so we could both proceed. I then received a number of comments relating to my ability to manage a narrowboat, finishing with people like you shouldn't be allowed on the canals. At this point I gently removed the boat hook from my wife's hands and explained exactly where and how I was going to insert it unless he shut up and calmed down. Possibly realising that annoying a fairly large six foot bloke when you are about five four and heavily overweight wasn't such a good idea he retreated to the helm and reversed.

To be fair he did do me a favour, he'd wound me up so much that Hercules wasn't in it when wielding the boat pole on my return to the offending rear and off she came with hardly a sound.

See no matter how unhelpful someone is you just have to find the positives. The boss did let me buy a bottle of Brandy in Tesco when we eventually managed to moor to make me feel better, so a much better week after that.

 

Ken