New eropean rules for boats over 20m

[denboy]

when are us Brits going to stand up for ourselves and tell these medaling #### to stay out of our affairs every time these beurocratic #### want to make a name for them selves the little man suffers if the french do not want something they shout and every one knows about it we just bend over and paint our toe nails and smile politetly so as not to offend !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Richard Bustens]

I think we are looking at this as if someone is trying to make us do something we dont need to do, but if we are intending to use tidal waters that have comercial trafic on them then we need to follow the safty rules layed down regardles of size, or when some narrow boat with no navigation lights gets run down there is no room to shout , the same applies if we can not get into a lock because they are not expecting us because we can not keep in contact through no radio.

 

So stop windging about being told what to doand wake up to the safty requirements that others have and use for there and others safty, if you dont want to comply stay in the canals and off the rivers and tidal systems.

[Alastair]

Dear, dear.

 

I am in the middle of getting an old continental boat through a BSS.

 

Most of the BSS requirements are far more nit-picking than the continental regulations!

 

For people who want to cruise on the european waterways, this directive will be a good thing. Currently, if in France, you need a french Permis. In Germany, you need a different certificate. The dutch have their system, etc. All of them with slightly different requirments. This directive is hefty, because it is trying to be all things.

 

It is under discussion atm, this is the time for us to stand up and voice our opinions. Read the directive, and hassle your local mep if youdon't like it.

[Keeping Up]

the waterways are chopped up according to things like whether they are tidal or not.

 

Regardless of that, none of our inland (that includes estuaries) connect directly to other 'member states', so our government is free to apply a derogation.

 

This derogation won't apply to boats that go to the continent, which is why I'm very glad our sailing barge is just under the 20m limit.

The problem with derogations is that they expire (as in red diesel for example).

[Maffi]

...........................or when some narrow boat with no navigation lights gets run down there is no room to shout ............................

 

So how will nav lites stop you getting run down in daylight, given that few NB's run at night.

[Gary Peacock]

A bit more from the DBA:-

 

At 10:12 20/03/2006, Simon Beaufoy wrote:

>Regarding Adrian's precis of the report:

>I feel as if somebody many miles away is about to make my life on a

>boat obsolete.

 

This paper is a rewrite of one issued by the European Commission which was originally drawn to the DBA's attention in 1999, and passed through the European Parliament on First Reading that year. Although this was drawn to the attention of those responsible in the DBA at the time, they did not appear to take any action.

 

The matter has taken over six years to reappear, and will now go before the Parliament again during the first week in July.

 

Your representatives are engaged in the following work:

1. Establishing which Committee will deal with the matter (the

Parliament's website is currently inaccurate);

2. Establishing the names of the Rapporteur and the Shadow

Rapporteurs for that Committee;

3. Working with the RYA on the matter;

4. Considering amendments which include, but are not exhaustive:

a. Exempting from this Directive craft covered

by the RCD;

b. Extending the length limit from 20M to 24M

for recreational craft; and

c. Removing the Rhine Commission's ability to

update the Directive without reference to the Commission.

 

Regards

Paul

Hon Secretary/Treasurer, DBA - The Barge Association (The Dutch Barge Association Limited, No 2683943) Correspondence Address: P O Box 484, RICKMANSWORTH, WD3 1PG

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[GUMPY]

From my mole in Navcom

 

Yesterday at the MCA there was a meeting of the Domestic Passenger Ship

Steering Group. It was confirmed, and is available in writing from MCA,

that the derogation within the amendment to 82/714 to disapply the

provisions where the concerned waterways are non-linked and the member state

has sufficient national standards and regulations already in place to cover

the issues, is to be used by MCA. This means that the new directive for

technical standards for inland waterways vessels will not be applied in the

UK. This means vessels operating in the UK will be exempt.

 

However, where a vessel enters the waterway of a member state that has been

required to implement the new directive, which is expected to be by late

2008, the vessel would be required to comply. This would also include

recreational craft over 20m (approx 65.5ft). This issue is being dealt

with in Europe by ICOMIA and also by the various Commission directorates

concerned - the directorate for the RCD is of course 'on our side' and is

working to get the length limit on recreational craft moved in line with the

RCD, ie 24m.

 

So this means that if you stay in the UK you can ignore the regs.

 

J

[Keeping Up]

So this means that if you stay in the UK you can ignore the regs.

That's great, I wasn't planning to take my (20.4 metre) narrowboat abroad.

 

The slight concern is that derogations have a habit of suddenly disappearing (cf Red Diesel) when everybody has forgotten what the fuss was about and taken their eye off the ball.

 

Allan