Bishopthorpe york to Newark-on-Trent widebeam

[pirate lee]

need help guys plzzz.naburn lock to newark castle marina,I have 36ft long cabin cruiser ,beam i2.4/ 2.9 draft / aircraft 12.6ft, apparently I'm to tall for Selby junction has anyone done this journey in a widebeam 12.6 airdraft I've filled water tank hopefully will help with bridges ,all I keep getting is om just bit to tall a frame is fixed ,

[Alan de Enfield]

You say the 'frame' is fixed, (Presumably a frame for the rear deck cover, or is it a Radar Arch ?)

Surely it is capable of being dismantled for the journey and then reassembled once you get to Newark.

 

Having been moored in Newark for 10 years I am not aware of a 'Newark Castle Marina' - there is only Newark Marina (upstream - on the Farndon side of Newark) and you definitely won't fit under Newark road Bridge , or the next bridge down.

There is Kings Marina which is on the outskirts of Newark as you approach from downstream.

 

My airdraft (Radar Arch up) is 10' 6" and the 1st time into Newark I forgot to lower it and destroyed the radar dome, the GPS , the Anchor light and the VHF aerial. At 12' 6" you have no chance.

 

Where are you really planning to moor ?

 

Have you checked on CanalPlanner - look at the bridge heights in Newark.

Beam wont be a problem - I'm 14 foot beam - its a bit tight but doable.

Edited September 15 by Alan de Enfield

[David Mack]

You won't need to worry about canal headroom if you go down the Ouse to Trent Falls then up the Trent to Newark.

[Alan de Enfield]

1 minute ago, David Mack said:

You won't need to worry about canal headroom if you go down the Ouse to Trent Falls then up the Trent to Newark.

 

But he wont get thru to Newark marina.

He'll be oK if he means Kings Marina (but thats nowhere near the castle) and then every trip out the only choice is downstream and onto thje Tidal Trent.

 

Or - he may be stopping at Kings and never moving again like several others that are already there.

[MrsM]

Kings marina could seem near to the castle if you are looking at it from above (eg Google maps). I do wonder if the OP means Castle marina in Nottingham though?

 

[Alan de Enfield]

 

 

He won't get thru Meadow Lane - From memory the low bridge on the Nottingham canal just after Meadow Lane lock is about 8 feet.

 

 

 

 

Radar Arch 'up' (less Radome) at  Cromwell Lock (3 miles or so downstream of Newark)

 

 

 

 

Radar Arch down at Newark Netherlock (on the lock landing) before proceeding into Newark

 

 

 

Edited September 15 by Alan de Enfield

[David Mack]

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

But he wont get thru to Newark marina.

That's why I said canal headroom.

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, David Mack said:

That's why I said canal headroom.

 

The part from heading upstream from Nether lock, thru Newark out to the power station is the Newaark Cut (canal).

Heading downstrean, The River Trent actually goes off over weirs at the powerstation, at Averham, goes thru Kelham and rejoins the canal just downstream of Nether lock.

The River Trent is only navigable to small dinghys and canoes on that section.

 

The manmade 'cut' is the navigable route thru Newark.

 

Easily seen on Google maps 

 

 

 

 

 

The first improvement of the lower river was at Newark, where the channel splits into two. The residents of the town wanted to increase the use of the branch nearest to them, and so an Act of Parliament was obtained in 1772 to authorise the work. Newark Navigation Commissioners were created, with powers to borrow money to fund the construction of two locks, and to charge tolls for boats using them. The work was completed by October 1773, and the separate tolls remained in force until 1783, when they were replaced by a one-shilling (5p) toll whichever channel the boats used

[pirate lee]

Hi guys yes I'm at kings&waterside marina in newark just at Naburn lock ,I have fixed arch can maybe unbolt the little radar, yes I'm worried about getting under the bridges in newark kings is just before trent bridge ,everyone telling me head to trent falls via river ouse through torksey ect ,anyone done it in 12.4ft airdraft,  I've filled up water and gonna put plenty fuel in and hope water levels are low will this help much at all ,it seems hight is the problem, really need some possitive ty for replying guys❤️❤️

[pirate lee]

The radar only about 20 inch only thing I can use to drop hight with fixed a frame 

[pirate lee]

7 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

But he wont get thru to Newark marina.

He'll be oK if he means Kings Marina (but thats nowhere near the castle) and then every trip out the only choice is downstream and onto thje Tidal Trent.

 

Or - he may be stopping at Kings and never moving again like several others that are already there.

So you think I'll be OK going down ouse via trent falls on to the trent 

[Naughty Cal]

6 hours ago, pirate lee said:

So you think I'll be OK going down ouse via trent falls on to the trent 

Yes.

 

The bridges on the Ouse will swing if you don't have enough air draft. Just radio ahead to check the air draft. Often you will have enough to just sail through.

[Alan de Enfield]

8 hours ago, pirate lee said:

So you think I'll be OK going down ouse via trent falls on to the trent 

 

Yes - what is your experience on tidal waters, and do you have the charts for the river showing the sand banks location etc etc ?

Your only problem will be if there has been any rain as the Kings water level varies by up to 10 feet when the River is in flood, and, it can be in flood for several days at this time of year. You may not be able to get into the marina. BUT if you cannot there is a floating pontoon about 500 yards past the marina entrance (It is a C&RT pontoon and has electric and water) so you could tie up there for a few days if needed. Moor up with your bow pouinting upstream (towards Newark)

 

If you have to moor on the river ensure you are on a floating pontoon and moor with the bow into the flow/current. The current can be as much as 5mph and any trees, dead cows etc will give the boat a big thump - at least if they hit the bow they will be deflected down the side.

If possible try and be at the 'back' of any moored boats so the trees hit them first.

 

Have you already booked a mooring at Kings, or are you just turning up 'on spec' ?

 

 

 

I was in the marina when the river level topped the banks and there was only about 8 foot between water level and the underside of the bridge - not that anyone would be stupid enough to be trying to move in those flood conditions.

 

 

The water level was lready above normal in this picture, but the worst we had was when the pontoon actually 'hit' (slid up to) the top of the Blue pillar in the background.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you visited Kings ?

The walkway from the car park to the pontoons normally (Summer) goes down at an angle of about 30-40 degrees, when the river is in flood it can actually slope upwards. You can see the drop down to the pontoons :

 

 

 

Once you are in the marina you'll be perfectly safe, but just make sure of the state of the River and look at the forecast for a few days forward. Moorings on the River are extremely limited and you do not want to be on it if it goes into flood.

 

Good luck and enjoy Newark. (But remember NEVER come out of the marina, turn right and try to get into / thru Newark - you'll not get under the bridges)

Edited September 16 by Alan de Enfield

[MrsM]

We moored on B pontoon, which is just to the left of Alan's last picture. You've picked a great marina. Everything is on your doorstep including train stations. Newark itself is a nice little market town, although the market is getting much smaller nowadays.

[Alan de Enfield]

17 minutes ago, MrsM said:

We moored on B pontoon, which is just to the left of Alan's last picture. You've picked a great marina. Everything is on your doorstep including train stations. Newark itself is a nice little market town, although the market is getting much smaller nowadays.

 

We were on A pontoon (as shown) but when we left (October 2019) I believe that they had just received planning permission to make A-Pontoon a "Foating Homes" location and that (initially) 10 of them would be installed,

 

These things (boats they are not)

 

 

 

I presume they would be put on the outside of A pontoon, between the walkway and the boundary hedge, otherwise they'd block access to the outside of B pontoon.

 

Did it happen ? or did Covid stop it ?

Edited September 16 by Alan de Enfield

[Naughty Cal]

3 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Yes - what is your experience on tidal waters, and do you have the charts for the river showing the sand banks location etc etc ?

Your only problem will be if there has been any rain as the Kings water level varies by up to 10 feet when the River is in flood, and, it can be in flood for several days at this time of year. You may not be able to get into the marina. BUT if you cannot there is a floating pontoon about 500 yards past the marina entrance (It is a C&RT pontoon and has electric and water) so you could tie up there for a few days if needed. Moor up with your bow pouinting upstream (towards Newark)

 

If you have to moor on the river ensure you are on a floating pontoon and moor with the bow into the flow/current. The current can be as much as 5mph and any trees, dead cows etc will give the boat a big thump - at least if they hit the bow they will be deflected down the side.

If possible try and be at the 'back' of any moored boats so the trees hit them first.

 

Have you already booked a mooring at Kings, or are you just turning up 'on spec' ?

 

 

 

I was in the marina when the river level topped the banks and there was only about 8 foot between water level and the underside of the bridge - not that anyone would be stupid enough to be trying to move in those flood conditions.

 

 

The water level was lready above normal in this picture, but the worst we had was when the pontoon actually 'hit' (slid up to) the top of the Blue pillar in the background.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you visited Kings ?

The walkway from the car park to the pontoons normally (Summer) goes down at an angle of about 30-40 degrees, when the river is in flood it can actually slope upwards. You can see the drop down to the pontoons :

 

 

 

Once you are in the marina you'll be perfectly safe, but just make sure of the state of the River and look at the forecast for a few days forward. Moorings on the River are extremely limited and you do not want to be on it if it goes into flood.

 

Good luck and enjoy Newark. (But remember NEVER come out of the marina, turn right and try to get into / thru Newark - you'll not get under the bridges)

Some friends of ours kept their Princess 388 at Newark Marina and then later on kept it at Farndon.

 

They didn't have any problem getting under the bridges in Newark and looking at the pictures it looks a fair bit taller than your cruiser!

 

 

 

 

[Alan de Enfield]

1 hour ago, Naughty Cal said:

They didn't have any problem getting under the bridges in Newark and looking at the pictures it looks a fair bit taller than your cruiser!

 

Well - the narrow low bridge (the 1st one coming into Newark from Newark marina) wiped out everything on the radar arch and I got the arch jammed under the bridge and bent it reversing back out.

 

Maybe the water levels were up - I don't remember.

But with a 10' 6" airdraft I didn't fit.

[MrsM]

2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

We were on A pontoon (as shown) but when we left (October 2019) I believe that they had just received planning permission to make A-Pontoon a "Foating Homes" location and that (initially) 10 of them would be installed,

 

These things (boats they are not)

 

 

 

I presume they would be put on the outside of A pontoon, between the walkway and the boundary hedge, otherwise they'd block access to the outside of B pontoon.

 

Did it happen ? or did Covid stop it ?

Yes they did have planning. As I understand it they were going to put them on the furthest pontoon, where most of the biggest fatties and Dutch barges are moored. When we left after selling our boat last Autumn they still hadn't started. I believe it was due to post COVID finances or something like that. 

[pirate lee]

12 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

Yes.

 

The bridges on the Ouse will swing if you don't have enough air draft. Just radio ahead to check the air draft. Often you will have enough to just sail thr

12 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:

Yes.

 

The bridges on the Ouse will swing if you don't have enough air draft. Just radio ahead to check the air draft. Often you will have enough to just sail through.

Thanks buddy

On 15/09/2024 at 17:59, Alan de Enfield said:

 

But he wont get thru to Newark marina.

He'll be oK if he means Kings Marina (but thats nowhere near the castle) and then every trip out the only choice is downstream and onto thje Tidal Trent.

 

Or - he may be stopping at Kings and never moving again like several others that are already there.

So you think I'll be OK going down ouse via trent falls on to the trent 

10 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Yes - what is your experience on tidal waters, and do you have the charts for the river showing the sand banks location etc etc ?

Your only problem will be if there has been any rain as the Kings water level varies by up to 10 feet when the River is in flood, and, it can be in flood for several days at this time of year. You may not be able to get into the marina. BUT if you cannot there is a floating pontoon about 500 yards past the marina entrance (It is a C&RT pontoon and has electric and water) so you could tie up there for a few days if needed. Moor up with your bow pouinting upstream (towards Newark)

 

If you have to moor on the river ensure you are on a floating pontoon and moor with the bow into the flow/current. The current can be as much as 5mph and any trees, dead cows etc will give the boat a big thump - at least if they hit the bow they will be deflected down the side.

If possible try and be at the 'back' of any moored boats so the trees hit them first.

 

Have you already booked a mooring at Kings, or are you just turning up 'on spec' ?

 

 

 

I was in the marina when the river level topped the banks and there was only about 8 foot between water level and the underside of the bridge - not that anyone would be stupid enough to be trying to move in those flood conditions.

 

 

The water level was lready above normal in this picture, but the worst we had was when the pontoon actually 'hit' (slid up to) the top of the Blue pillar in the background.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you visited Kings ?

The walkway from the car park to the pontoons normally (Summer) goes down at an angle of about 30-40 degrees, when the river is in flood it can actually slope upwards. You can see the drop down to the pontoons :

 

 

 

Once you are in the marina you'll be perfectly safe, but just make sure of the state of the River and look at the forecast for a few days forward. Moorings on the River are extremely limited and you do not want to be on it if it goes into flood.

 

Good luck and enjoy Newark. (But remember NEVER come out of the marina, turn right and try to get into / thru Newark - you'll not get under the bridges)

Hi m8 yea I've lived on kings marina for the last year on pontoon b4 on my narrowboat so I'm not used to cabin cruiser this big 2 engines ect I've got a friend coming over to us Friday he's got lots experience ,yea I've asked about kings entrance it does depend on water levels, I was navigating from worksop to newark in floods this time last year it was gnarly , so it seems I'm going to wing this one on river ouse ,trent falls through torksey ect

8 hours ago, MrsM said:

We moored on B pontoon, which is just to the left of Alan's last picture. You've picked a great marina. Everything is on your doorstep including train stations. Newark itself is a nice little market town, although the market is getting much smaller nowadays.

Yes I've been on b04 the last year in blue narrowboat 

10 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

Yes - what is your experience on tidal waters, and do you have the charts for the river showing the sand banks location etc etc ?

Your only problem will be if there has been any rain as the Kings water level varies by up to 10 feet when the River is in flood, and, it can be in flood for several days at this time of year. You may not be able to get into the marina. BUT if you cannot there is a floating pontoon about 500 yards past the marina entrance (It is a C&RT pontoon and has electric and water) so you could tie up there for a few days if needed. Moor up with your bow pouinting upstream (towards Newark)

 

If you have to moor on the river ensure you are on a floating pontoon and moor with the bow into the flow/current. The current can be as much as 5mph and any trees, dead cows etc will give the boat a big thump - at least if they hit the bow they will be deflected down the side.

If possible try and be at the 'back' of any moored boats so the trees hit them first.

 

Have you already booked a mooring at Kings, or are you just turning up 'on spec' ?

 

 

 

I was in the marina when the river level topped the banks and there was only about 8 foot between water level and the underside of the bridge - not that anyone would be stupid enough to be trying to move in those flood conditions.

 

 

The water level was lready above normal in this picture, but the worst we had was when the pontoon actually 'hit' (slid up to) the top of the Blue pillar in the background.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you visited Kings ?

The walkway from the car park to the pontoons normally (Summer) goes down at an angle of about 30-40 degrees, when the river is in flood it can actually slope upwards. You can see the drop down to the pontoons :

 

 

 

Once you are in the marina you'll be perfectly safe, but just make sure of the state of the River and look at the forecast for a few days forward. Moorings on the River are extremely limited and you do not want to be on it if it goes into flood.

 

Good luck and enjoy Newark. (But remember NEVER come out of the marina, turn right and try to get into / thru Newark - you'll not get under the bridges)

 

[Momac]

The air draft through Newark is about 15ft at normal summer levels , obviously this is reduced in flood conditions.

The lowest bridge is Mill Bridge above Town Lock.

The rail bridge above Nether Lock is slightly greater clearance.

 

By the way the above video  is not me and not my boat

PS

In my boat with the arch folded  I can just with an inch or two to spare get through Saxilby which is the lowest bridge I have passed under and that is  said by C&RT to be 11ft 3 inches clearance.

I would say you should be okay getting to Kings Marina but I suggest you may wish to remove anything possible to reduce height to be on the safe side.

As already said you will need to take the Trent falls route.

 

The below image  is my boat - the arch at the stern end of the flybridge folds , making the tallest point the top of the helm seat . We have been through Newark and back to Farndon multiple times since we bought this boat in 2014.

 

 

 

[pirate lee]

29 minutes ago, Momac said:

The air draft through Newark is about 15ft at normal summer levels , obviously this is reduced in flood conditions.

The lowest bridge is Mill Bridge above Town Lock.

The rail bridge above Nether Lock is slightly greater clearance.

 

By the way the above video  is not me and not my boat

Wow that looked bit scary didn't think it would fit under ,it's giving me more confidence

[Alan de Enfield]

Just now, pirate lee said:

Wow that looked bit scary didn't think it would fit under ,it's giving me more confidence

 

But he had his radar arch folder down saving him 3 feet or so.

 

Are you sure yours doesn't un-bolt ?

I have never seen on that didn't.

 

If you can find the bolt and lower it it will save a lot of stress.

[pirate lee]

3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

 

But he had his radar arch folder down saving him 3 feet or so.

 

Are you sure yours doesn't un-bolt ?

I have never seen on that didn't.

 

If you can find the bolt and lower it it will save a lot of stress.

It's s fixed arch mate i can only unbolt radarand tv ariel saving about 8 inch, you say your on kings? Looks like a lot of other boats of my size has done this trip  just have to go through trent falls ,feeling loads better about doing this

[Alan de Enfield]

You'll get into KIngs fine as long as the water levels are not up.

 

What I don't think you'll be able to do is get thru Newark so you will be limited to heading downstream and onto the tidal waters every time you want to go out for a cruise.

 

Have you are your mate got the latest charts for the Trent ?

You will need to know where the sand bars and shallows are.

[pirate lee]

1 hour ago, Alan de Enfield said:

You'll get into KIngs fine as long as the water levels are not up.

 

What I don't think you'll be able to do is get thru Newark so you will be limited to heading downstream and onto the tidal waters every time you want to go out for a cruise.

 

Have you are your mate got the latest charts for the Trent ?

You will need to know where the sand bars and shallows are.

Yes my friend has charts he knows more than me 😁