luctor et emergo

I rather like the name 'Norfolk Enchants'. The story goes that years ago it was proposed as the name for a racehorse, but the jockey club would not allow it, because it would cause trouble for the race commentator...

If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand...

and so we go round and round....

Let me re-read my post... no, I don't think I said that we should get rid of leisure boaters. What I did say, was that it may make sense for BW to make living on the canal easier, to make better use of that specific revenue stream. As I understand it, BW is struggling to maintain the canal with its current revenue. Maintanance is already under funded, and from what I understand large parts of the K&A are not properly maintained at all.

fair enough, but most of those are probably 'leisure boats', not liveaboards. Boating for leisure is very expensive, and a luxery. If people need to give up on things, because of cost, it will probably be boating. Liveaboards will not have that issue, and would be a much more 'reliable' income source.

I have been reading the various threads regarding mooring, costs, and licences with great interest. One thing that this system of 'auctioning off' moorings will achive, is that it will price a lot people out off the market, and stop them from getting a boat altogether. Regardless of the canals (presumed) being full, if you lose a certain amount of 'new boaters' coming into the system, you will end up with less boaters, who will spend less money. Second hand values will drop, because those with enough money will buy new boats, but there will not be enough buyers for their old craft. With the economy nowhere near out of the doldrums (and perhaps only being on a short term respite..! ) I would think that leisure boating will take a knock. Foreign holidays and flying already have. It would be interesting to see data relating to the hire boat industry, and perhaps the amount of fuel sold to boats (as that would give a fair indication of how much people actually took their boats out). Has there been an increase of boats for sale (indicating more people getting out of boating)? How many people on Permanent or Residential Mooring waiting lists are actually still looking to take up a space, if it became available? I think that it would be a good idea if BW would make living on the canal ('legaly') easier, to encourage more people onto the canal. It would increase their revenue, and would help the various businesses like marinas and chandlers too. If it would be un-neccessary to 'bridge hop' it would probably be much less of a problem. It should be possible than, to effectivly enforce the rules, rather than to 'turn a blind eye', which encourages the current practice of 'bridge hopping'. I, for example, would rather pay 'rent' to live on my own boat, than pay the equivalent rent to a land lord to live in a one bed flat or such. And yes, it is patently obvious that BW are keeping the price of moorings up, by only auctioning them off one at a time.... supply and demand.

I don't think that these bottles have a mechanism, other than the fact that they are only filled to a safe amount, to allow for expansion. I wonder what happens if an unobservant punter tries to overfill the bottle by more than 100% Do the LPG pumps have an auto cut off like the petrol pumps? Or will it fill the bottle untill the weakest part goes pop, and spill the LPG all over the forecourt?

On the subject of 'knowledgable' amateurs filling their Calor Gas (other gas providers are available) at a pump, how fast does a forecourt pump dispense the LPG? I.E. how long will it take to fill a 13 KG bottle? And can you dispense the amount accurately at the pump? I have no first hand experience with LPG pumps, so I wondered. You see, I have seen people trying to fill their (diesel)cars at a high speed HGV pump, which inevitably means a pair of ruined shoes... I did once intervene when a twit was going to fill his plastic jerry can (5 liter) at a high speed pump. Somebody WILL overfill his bottle, because lugging it to the petrol station is to heavy, and "if I over fill it just a little, it won't harm" "these margins are over engineered anyway, to be on the safe side" "I'm going to use it straight away, so it won't be overfilled for long" Somebody, somewhere, will make the newspaper. Or the evening news, if he gets it wrong in the right place...

According to the feedback on evilbay, NO instructions are included...: thanks, came quickly, though an instruction leaflet would have been handy. Lightning fast service, it was here before i ordered it A+++++++++++++++++ the second feedback requires no comment, it just illustrates the kind of brain that may be using this device at a petrolstation near you...

The problem is that the photo can be a sample or stock image, and the device that you receive may not be save at all. The screw that is already in the bottle is proven to be fit for the purpose, the item from ebay is not.

If space is the problem, why not fit a wheel? *** dons tin hat and starts digging...***

I did indeed ask a similar question (if it is me you mean), but my syntax was not as bad as this conversation. Da canal indeed... And following on from the information that I have received on this forum, I have realised that CCing is both a contentious issue, and not what I would be doing if I would simply buy a boat to live on, whilst working were I work now. But my participation on this forum has led to me now considering a different option, starting a boat based business...

he also seems to like dogs...