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I have made a mistake, apologised and edited my post 93 to reflect that. Self moderation

If thats the case then I apologise profusely and admit I have made a big mistake based on mistaken identity. I shall edit that out of my post immediately and then go and find out who I did mean ETA Perhaps you should edit out what I quoted Paul since I have now taken out what I said but people can still it in your quote.

Edited to add Three paragraphs removed due to an error of mistaken identity There is no relationship between the attractiveness of a forum and the number of rules. There is a relationship between the attractiveness of a forum and the way the rules are applied. Take Justcanals, for instance. The moderation is applied there in such a way that people don't use it.* I know of another forum based in USA where the moderation is combination of the light touch and transparency, as espoused by Carlt particularly, and strict sanctions for severe rule breaking. That forum is enormous and very popular and active I know of another forum that does not use light touch and transparency. rule breaks are simply removed and any criticism of moderators results in instant ban. It is also a huge forum and very active. But I suspect there are so many people on it and the moderation is so quick that the strict moderation goes unremarked. * Now I know that people will leap on that statement and claim that is exactly where CWDF is going - but I don't believe that. One of the major problems this forum has now is that there were mistakes made earlier this year. Though I do believe that the people who were got rid initially are better off out of here simply because they refused, and still refuse, to accept that they had the right to express themselves in any way they liked on CWDF and should be allowed to fight between themselves all over the forum - thus turning the atmosphere on CWDF to extremely unpleasant if not toxic. Arbitrary, high handed, and emotion based moderation is very poor and not good for the forum but I do have sympathy for the reasons behind it when it happened here. Nicknorman is fond of using the phrase "being able to use the forum like an adult". I have a great deal of sympathy for a lot of what Nick said but this is where I fundamentally disagree with him. Using this forum like "an adult" does not, for me, mean that people should simply "grow a pair", "man up", and "if you might not like it don't read it", are acceptable. That point of view is just another way of saying "I'll post how I like and you can like it or lump it", For me using the forum like an adult means that you behave in the way the rules and guidelines ask for i.e. that you do behave in a reasonable way, with courtesy and respect, and having consideration for those who might look at the discussion, though might not contribute to it. Needing to justify yourself by insisting that people should "grow a pair" etc is the right way is a good indicator that you want to ignore the forum rules and be self indulgent. In that case thunderboat is exactly the right place for them. My belief is that this forum can get back to where it was but things change. The internet changes things including the way people express themselves on a screen. The rules and guidelines need to reflect this, in my opinion. They don't at the moment

When you say leaking do you mean that they all leak when you are transporting them to the Elsan? Or are you saying that no matter which cassette is in place there is always evidence of unwanted "stuff" on top of the cassettes when you take them out? The latter would indicate a problem with the loo itself and not the cassettes - And that would indicate a problem with the seal between the bottom of the bowl and the outer case of the cassette

Yes. I enjoyed reading that Patrick. I think its a skill to turn an unreached target, with all the attendant disappointments and worries, into so many positives

Wise words - I like to see a bit of constructive criticism Greenie

I like it

It'll be one of these. Clicky Somebody will be along to tell you which one precisely Edited to add Perhaps this one And if I'm wrong somebody will be along to put me right

As they say in Texas with monotonous regularity.... You Gat That Raght

No worries. I'll do it for you

Constructively, clearly, and within the forum rules

There is a third option of course, and that is that Daniel could have a deputy, a senior mod/team leader who takes the responsibility for daily running from him, leaving him free to get on with his busy life and only making executive decisions as the owner I do feel that Daniel's motivation for owning the forum is irrelevent, private, and actually none of anybody's business but his. The fact is that it is his, he owns it, and he will run it as he wants - not like you want....and quite rightly so

And THAT is the nub of the matter No matter how nicely worded, directly encouraging people to leave this forum IS disruptive

Its there now Rich Thank you very much

I can get the bit about attaching files if I reply to post in a thread - but only if I click on "other options" at bottom right next to the "post" button. In PMs I can't see a "other options" button

What was that? Other than a snide remark?

Ah. I wondered if that was the case Thank you Paul

I want to send another forum member a text document (MS Word) but I can't see how to attach such a document to a PM or create a link to such a document on my desktop. Can anyone tell me how to do such a thing? Thank you in anticipation "Yes" will not be considered to be a suitable answer - I KNOW I have asked a closed question

They did an episode of Salvage Squad on the Alvis Stolly

I had to look up "desuetude" But the rest of your post is extremely interesting and coincides with my own assessment of the attitudes of senior and middle managers in CRT, particularly, I suspect, those who are ex BW