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#1 twocvbloke

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 08:51 AM

Reading through the thread on the K&A lock times, I noticed that BW abandoned this stretch for some time, and I got thinking, are there any other canals in England they have abandoned, or are still abandoned, but still filled with water, that BW haven't even touched? I know there are some unnavigable canals looking at Jim Shead's site, but are there any others not listed there? :lol:

Edited by twocvbloke, 06 September 2008 - 08:52 AM.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 09:16 AM

There's the Melton and Oakham.

This is still navigable in portable boats as tts a canalised river, the locks need rebuilding and the weirs raised.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 09:30 AM

There's the Melton and Oakham.

This is still navigable in portable boats as tts a canalised river, the locks need rebuilding and the weirs raised.


I'm not sure you are right there, the Melton Mowbray navigation is a canalised river (and still navigable with canoes), and then the Oakham which is of course a true canal and not navigable in any way?

Other possibilities:

North Walsham/Dilham

Dingwall

Coombe Hill Canal
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:03 AM

I'm not sure you are right there, the Melton Mowbray navigation is a canalised river (and still navigable with canoes), and then the Oakham which is of course a true canal and not navigable in any way?

Indeed. A short stretch of the Oakham near Ashwell would theoretically be navigable by canoes - not sure the fishermen who maintain it (very well) would be too chuffed, though!

The Melton Mowbray Navigation's an absolutely gorgeous river, though - it'll be delightful when it's restored. The first step gets underway next year, I believe: Sustrans are rebuilding the entrance bridge at Syston (currently a low walkway) to give navigable headroom.


Elsewhere, there's a few isolated bits of the Wyrley & Essington that are still in water but unnavigable.

Edited by Richard Fairhurst, 06 September 2008 - 10:04 AM.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:22 AM

Wendover arm of the GU, at the Wendover end.

The canal is being restored, and a short extension past Tringford has taken it under a reconstructed bridge to a proper winding hole, making navigation of the open bit far easier.

There is then a stretch that has been de-watered for years, (being worked on).

After that it's in water.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 10:36 AM

Sorry

I lump the whole lot together as 1 waterway, ergo "the melton and Oakham" The others are more correct.

Richard is absoluetely correct it's a fabulous navigation, which given the fact its still in water suprises me it's not already been reopened.

I fully intend to navigate the full length in my little inflatable next weekend complete with camera.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:06 AM

The Grantham Canal should have been reopened years ago. Surely one of the simplest restos?

In theory the Brownsover arm of the N Oxford, running to Dodford, is still navigable but BW, in their wisdom, have stanked it off.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:08 AM

The Grantham Canal should have been reopened years ago. Surely one of the simplest restos?

In theory the Brownsover arm of the N Oxford, running to Dodford, is still navigable but BW, in their wisdom, have stanked it off.


Can someone inform me of the direction of this thread? is it only about abandoned, and unrestored waterways?

The Oakham would come under that.

Or is it about canals that are abandoned but currently under some form of restoration?

The Grantham would be under that category.

If its a free for all let me know! :lol:
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 12:23 PM

Well, as BW policy seems to be steering away from restoration and more towards asset stripping, I wouldn't put money on any ongoing restoration being completed.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 12:44 PM

Reading through the thread on the K&A lock times, I noticed that BW abandoned this stretch for some time, and I got thinking, are there any other canals in England they have abandoned, or are still abandoned, but still filled with water, that BW haven't even touched? I know there are some unnavigable canals looking at Jim Shead's site, but are there any others not listed there? :lol:

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How about the Nutbrook Canal which linked the Nutbrook Colliery (amongst others I think) to the Erewash Canal at Stanton ironworks.
A few weeks ago part of it was still in water, as is the feeder reservoir.
Plenty of stonework still exists also.

There is an entry in wikipedia for those interested.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 01:54 PM

I believe that there are far more abandoned and/or disused canals than any of us might imagine, certainly in my very local area the canal system tended to be based on the mining industry, when the coal ran out so did the canal that served it..

It wasn't really BW that did the deed though, most were gone long before a nationalised canal system was ever considered, it was financial expediency and general apathy that saw an end to them, they just suffered a slow ignominious death.

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 02:05 PM

Abedare Canal
Adelphi Canal
Adur Navigation
Andover Canal
Ashburnham Canal
Bedale Beck
Bishop Monkton Canal
Bond End Canal
Bottisham Lode
Bourne Eau
Bowser's Canal
Bude Canal
Bungay Navigation
Bure Navigation
Caistor Canal
Cann Quarry Canal
Car Dyke
Carlisle Canal
Cassington Cut
Chard Canal
Cinderford Canal
Charnwood Forest Canal
Comstall Navigation
Croydon Canal
Cumberland Market Branch Canal
Cyfartha Canal

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Posted 06 September 2008 - 05:02 PM

The original criterion was "any other canals in England they have abandoned, or are still abandoned, but still filled with water, that BW haven't even touched".

Think that excludes most of your list, Carl - AFAIK the Aberdare's entirely infilled; same for the Adelphi; the Adur's a river, not a canal; small bit of the Andover in water, so you can have that; not sure about the Ashburnham; Bedale Beck is a river; Bishop Monkton - hm, maybe, not sure it necessarily merits the full "canal" title; Bond End Canal - well I moor on the bit that's still in water :lol: so that doesn't count as entirely abandoned; and so on...
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 06:03 PM

But the bigger the list, the more we can nit-pick.
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 06:07 PM

But the bigger the list, the more we can nit-pick.


Who's got nits??? :lol:
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 06:11 PM

Who's got nits??? :lol:

Not me. My boat's in saltwater......

I've got crabs!
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 06:14 PM

Not me. My boat's in saltwater......

I've got crabs!


At least you can eat crabs (the salty variety!!!)... :lol:
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 07:21 PM

Car Dyke


There is a school of thought that says the Car/Carr Dyke (you see it spelt both ways) was never used as a navigation in Roman times, however, there is a short length of it, that is navigable today and connected to the national system too as the Sleaford Navigation/Kyne Eau uses its course for perhaps 1/3 mile or so about a mile to the west of South Kyme.

See:- http://www.streetmap...mapp=newmap.srf

It's the straight length that runs south east from Ferry Farm, Ewerby Waithe Common. Where the Kyme Eau veers off to the east towards South Kyme, there was once a lock dropping down here, from whence the Carr Dyke was navigable to its junction with the Heckington Eau. The navigation continued via the Head Dike and Skerth Drain to make a junction with the South Forty Foot Drain, near Swineshead Bridge.

BTW, I was in Boston the other day and was able to examine the works in progress to reinstate the lock at Black Sluice, linking the South Forty Foot Drain to the Tidal Witham. The long term aim is to make a non tidal link between the Witham at Boston, linking in with the rivers Glen and Welland and eventually via a new cut to the Nene at Peterborough.

Work started last October, the chamber should be complete and the gates being fitted this month and is due for completion by december
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Posted 06 September 2008 - 11:47 PM

There is a school of thought that says the Car/Carr Dyke (you see it spelt both ways) was never used as a navigation in Roman times, however, there is a short length of it, that is navigable today and connected to the national system too as the Sleaford Navigation/Kyne Eau uses its course for perhaps 1/3 mile or so about a mile to the west of South Kyme.

See:- http://www.streetmap...mapp=newmap.srf

It's the straight length that runs south east from Ferry Farm, Ewerby Waithe Common. Where the Kyme Eau veers off to the east towards South Kyme, there was once a lock dropping down here, from whence the Carr Dyke was navigable to its junction with the Heckington Eau. The navigation continued via the Head Dike and Skerth Drain to make a junction with the South Forty Foot Drain, near Swineshead Bridge.

BTW, I was in Boston the other day and was able to examine the works in progress to reinstate the lock at Black Sluice, linking the South Forty Foot Drain to the Tidal Witham. The long term aim is to make a non tidal link between the Witham at Boston, linking in with the rivers Glen and Welland and eventually via a new cut to the Nene at Peterborough.

Work started last October, the chamber should be complete and the gates being fitted this month and is due for completion by december



I'm pretty certain that (a) Carr Dyke is on the map at Timberland (running from the top of Timberland Delph north wards) and again possibly at Dunston Fen - if its the same one as you refer to and heading towards Lincoln and also supposedly Roman I wonder if it ever linked up with the Fosse Dyke? - I'll get my map out soon and have a look
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Posted 07 September 2008 - 07:56 AM

I wonder if it ever linked up with the Fosse Dyke? -


From my understanding it ran from Washingborough, so probably not. Various lengths are incorporated into the current dykes that criss cross this area and retain their original drainage function, notably between Washingborough and North Kyme where it has very much a contour canal feel to it. The further south you go the more truncated it becomes. The diverted or abandoned lengths have often filled in or otherwise obliterated.

It's mostly marked on the OS Landranger series maps, often as "Car Dyke (course of)"

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