Cyclist ends up in cut

[Jim Lae]

Published in the local Tod Horror .

 

http://www.todmordennews.co.uk/news/Mother...oses.4479732.jp

[Troll]

Phew at least the cops say they are going to take positive action.

 

Lets hope for the sake of the do gooders that they are not too harsh on the culprits though, it wouldnt be the same down that stretch of canal

[twocvbloke]

Jeez!!! That was just sick!!! I can't believe that there are people out there who would cause injury, potentially death too, to innocent people just so they get a cheap thrill from it!!! And they haven't the courage to even show their faces either, it proves that they are cowards....

Edited September 14, 2008 by twocvbloke

[Kez]

Jeez!!! That was just sick!!! I can't believe that there are people out there who would cause injury, potentially death too, to innocent people just so they get a cheap thrill from it!!! And they haven't the courage to even show their faces either, it proves that they are cowards....

 

It is sick that theres people out there like that but it gets worse, quite recently a friend of ours was coming out of crick tunnel (north portal) and some sad yobbo to a shot at him with an air rifle. luckly all he got was a bruise 'cos the prick who fired it was to far away..

[1066]

Lets hope for the sake of the do gooders that they are not too harsh on the culprits though, it wouldnt be the same down that stretch of canal

 

I have obviously read this wrong, but ....... why should the do-gooders not be too harsh on the culprits?

[twocvbloke]

It is sick that theres people out there like that but it gets worse, quite recently a friend of ours was coming out of crick tunnel (north portal) and some sad yobbo to a shot at him with an air rifle. luckly all he got was a bruise 'cos the prick who fired it was to far away..

 

Now that's something for the police to deal with, if they yobs are shooting people, even if it's just an air rifle, it's assault with a deadly weapon, something that has a prison sentence to go with it...

 

The Police really do need to be more proactive, more on the streets and not behind desks to get rid of these little b*st*rds, even bringing back execution sentences to "dispose" of them...

[kayDee]

I just can't believe how nasty people can be to one another, I really can't. What has happened to these kids? God, when I was around that age, you didn't really hear of things like that happening, and I certainly wouldn't have dreamed of hurting someone else, possibly even killing them - as could very easily have happened with the rifle. Its just so bad what's going on these days. We thought "knock and run" was adventurous when I was young! What has happened to kids?

Kay

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[twocvbloke]

We thought "knock and run" was adventurous when I was young! What has happened to kids?

 

They are pushing the boundaries as far as they can, with some going way too far, leaving people injured or even dead...

 

My solution, Hang the Hoodies...

[Amduck]

Who said it was "kids" or "yobs"? Not suggesting anyone on here would do anything like this, but there are plenty of people out there who dislike cyclists intensely (me among them, sometimes ), and plenty of cyclists (not all, obviously) who give them reason.

 

On a day when a 70 year old was convicted of breaking a neighbour's arm for winning a boundary dispute, it would be well to remember that unpleasant/potentially violent/dangerous people come in all shapes and sizes, and all ages.

 

If people insist on thinking that all young people are to blame for all societies ills, then even the blameless young will become alienated and we'll have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[twocvbloke]

Who said it was "kids" or "yobs"? Not suggesting anyone on here would do anything like this, but there are plenty of people out there who dislike cyclists intensely (me among them, sometimes ), and plenty of cyclists (not all, obviously) who give them reason.

 

On a day when a 70 year old was convicted of breaking a neighbour's arm for winning a boundary dispute, it would be well to remember that unpleasant/potentially violent/dangerous people come in all shapes and sizes, and all ages.

 

If people insist on thinking that all young people are to blame for all societies ills, then even the blameless young will become alienated and we'll have a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

Well, who else would loiter around and laugh at their victims as though it were all a big joke? Just like those who intentionally place objects on railway lines, or drop things from bridges onto roads, or hit cyclists along canal towpaths...

[Kez]

The police think that the Crick shooter was probably aiming for windows, but I know the yobs in Crick 'cos I went to school with them. Theyre not canal friendly...

[alan_fincher]

The Police really do need to be more proactive, more on the streets and not behind desks to get rid of these little b*st*rds, even bringing back execution sentences to "dispose" of them...

I think you need to seriously research recent history of crime and punishment in this country.

 

I don't think you'll find execution ever figured as a punishment for this kind of crime.

[Kez]

I think you need to seriously research recent history of crime and punishment in this country.

 

I don't think you'll find execution ever figured as a punishment for this kind of crime.

Actually, thanks to the "Bloody Code" in the canal's heyday, you probably could be exacuted for it. in the 1765 there were 165 crimes punishable by death and by 1815 the number had risen to 225 (crimes included: cutting down trees , pickpocketing goods worth more than one shilling , being out at night with a blackened face, stealing from a rabbit warren & destroying turnpike roads)

its quite likely that somthing like deliberate sabotage would have been in the list

[alan_fincher]

Yep,

 

But we are talking about an attack on a cyclist.

 

THere were not too many bikes as we would know them today around on either of those dates!

 

If you look, I did explicitly say recent history, as I was well aware that two centuries ago many more things were capital offences.

 

However distressing this kind of case is, I sincerely hope that nobody actually believes the offenders should be strung up.

 

If they do, I think I'd reluctantly rather share the country with the offenders, than with people seriously holding such beliefs.

[Kez]

Yep,

 

But we are talking about an attack on a cyclist.

 

THere were not too many bikes as we would know them today around on either of those dates!

 

If you look, I did explicitly say recent history, as I was well aware that two centuries ago many more things were capital offences.

 

However distressing this kind of case is, I sincerely hope that nobody actually believes the offenders should be strung up.

 

If they do, I think I'd reluctantly rather share the country with the offenders, than with people seriously holding such beliefs.

oh, I missed the 'recent' bit.

Personally I feel they should be strung up; only upside down on a canal bridge, to be pelted with rotten tomatoes and dog food.

[twocvbloke]

oh, I missed the 'recent' bit.

Personally I feel they should be strung up; only upside down on a canal bridge, to be pelted with rotten tomatoes and dog food.

 

nooo, not dog food, dog poo....

[stort_mark]

... even bringing back execution sentences to "dispose" of them...

 

 

Yep. Ra ra ra!! Bring back the death penalty! Stone them to death!!!

 

Then we can have a crime rate as low as they have in the USA where they still have capital punishment! Yeah!!!!! Errrrrrrrrr!!??!!!!!!

[Troll]

I have obviously read this wrong, but ....... why should the do-gooders not be too harsh on the culprits?

 

 

Try mentioning proper punishments on here mate, then you may understand

 

Personally I think they should be strung up, and yes I DO feel strongly about it. Have you taken a step back look at the UK lately?

 

Now then you watch the do gooders come out, and you will see what I mean

 

I think you need to seriously research recent history of crime and punishment in this country.

 

I don't think you'll find execution ever figured as a punishment for this kind of crime.

 

 

Hence the situation we are in

 

I think (and its only my oppinion) folk who dont want decent punisments have a reason like maybe they also enjoy breaking the Law and dont want to pay the price.

 

The Law is for everyone too many think its not meant for them, if you dont like it and break it expect to pay, its not hard to learn right from wrong.

 

I for one object to paying to feed these scum in the holiday camps

 

Yep,

 

But we are talking about an attack on a cyclist.

 

THere were not too many bikes as we would know them today around on either of those dates!

 

If you look, I did explicitly say recent history, as I was well aware that two centuries ago many more things were capital offences.

 

However distressing this kind of case is, I sincerely hope that nobody actually believes the offenders should be strung up.

 

If they do, I think I'd reluctantly rather share the country with the offenders, than with people seriously holding such beliefs.

 

 

Untill you are on the receiving end I guess?

 

These people dont think like you or I. I have met some like them, with attitudes you would not believe.

 

God I`m mad I keep editing. WE are too far in, its too late to stop now, Britains changed, you can keep your blinkers on but

Edited September 21, 2008 by Troll

[alan_fincher]

Hence the situation we are in

I refer you to somebody else's previous post.

 

Crime is so much less in those US states where there is still the threat of the death penalty..... Not!

 

It's not about emotive feelings - there are statistics that clearly prove that it doesn't make serious crimes any less likely to take place. What is wrong with this country goes far deeper than we have stopped hanging people.

 

No doubt you would argue that it's a price worth paying, but there are large numbers of people walking the streets of this country, who were wrongly found guilty of murder, and who have subsequently been acquitted. Many would have been hung, had we continued that practice.

 

You say "until you are on the receiving end..". I'd not wish anybody I knew to be put to death because a jury was persuaded to believe rigged evidence, or because policemen lied under oath.

[Sir Nibble]

Now then you watch the do gooders come out, and you will see what I mean

This is an example of a perfect debating ploy. Note the use of the term "Do gooders", this establishes incontravertably the status of any opinion to the contrary as invalid and places the holder in a pitiful social subset as accomplice to the original offence. The overwhelming evidence that capital punishment has no affect on crime rates, and crime still existed when hanging drawing and quartering was on the statute book is irrelevant in the face of the overwhelming mass opinion of the uneducated.

The only way to restore our country to the golden age we never had is to lock up the do gooders and return to power the do badders, erm, I think.

Let's get back to the good old days when muggers cut their victims throats and thieves went tooled up with pistol cudgel and sword.

 

At this point, there will probably be a "see what I mean" response to this post identifying me as a "do gooder". I have no interest in doing good to offenders, just in saving the effort of "doing futile", capital punishment has no effect on crime rates, PROVEN. The urge to hang the delinquent has more to do with impotent rage than a considered criminal justice system. Study, learn and understand that any opinion held in the face of the body of evidence is a predjudice.

Edited September 22, 2008 by Sir Nibble

[John Orentas]

The problem as always with this crime and punishment thing is that if we start hanging people for criminal acts like pushing people into the canal and attempting to drown them, what do we do to those who have committed a far more heinous offence, for example like speeding past moored boats, you can't really hang them twice..

 

Why do people imagine that crime in this country is permanently on the increase, I have no wish to make light of it but even this latest 'knife crime' hysteria a chap on TV the other day explained that it represents only a small blip in a constantly reducing crime rate which has been progressing since Victorian times..

 

Those idyllic law abiding days of the 1950's when I was a lad, things were so safe we could go to school un-escorted, go for long rides on our bikes, join the scouts and attend camps leaving parents at home happy in the knowledge that all was well!..

 

In reality of course and what everyone has forgotten, the 50's was the era of the Teddy Boys, I remember reports of gangs of them running riot in Manchester and smashing up cinema's, their weapons of choice was a cut-throat razor and a sharpened up bicycle chain.. How about those fly-boats of 200 years ago, a major reason for their success was the presence of other passengers and an extra crew member who was armed with a blunderbuss.

[SteveE]

This is an example of a perfect debating ploy. Note the use of the term "Do gooders", this establishes incontravertably the status of any opinion to the contrary as invalid and places the holder in a pitiful social subset as accomplice to the original offence. The overwhelming evidence that capital punishment has no affect on crime rates, and crime still existed when hanging drawing and quartering was on the statute book is irrelevant in the face of the overwhelming mass opinion of the uneducated.

The only way to restore our country to the golden age we never had is to lock up the do gooders and return to power the do badders, erm, I think.

Let's get back to the good old days when muggers cut their victims throats and thieves went tooled up with pistol cudgel and sword.

 

At this point, there will probably be a "see what I mean" response to this post identifying me as a "do gooder". I have no interest in doing good to offenders, just in saving the effort of "doing futile", capital punishment has no effect on crime rates, PROVEN. The urge to hang the delinquent has more to do with impotent rage than a considered criminal justice system. Study, learn and understand that any opinion held in the face of the body of evidence is a predjudice.

 

All this is true except that my urge to hang certain delinquents - those who kill police men and women come to mind - is based on my resistance to being taxed to pay for their hotel prison acommodation for years.

SteveE

[Sir Nibble]

All this is true except that my urge to hang certain delinquents - those who kill police men and women come to mind - is based on my resistance to being taxed to pay for their hotel prison acommodation for years.

SteveE

Cost cannot and must not be allowed to distort justice. "We were going to jail you but decided to hang you 'cos it's cheaper" is not a sound basis for sentencing. As for holiday camps, I have never been to jail and can comment only at first remove in that I have met plenty who have and all say they would NOT wish to repeat the experience. As I read the evidence, the problem is less contempt of the leniency of the sentence, more a confidence that if the offence is investigated at all conviction is unlikely.

[SteveE]

Cost cannot and must not be allowed to distort justice. "We were going to jail you but decided to hang you 'cos it's cheaper" is not a sound basis for sentencing. As for holiday camps, I have never been to jail and can comment only at first remove in that I have met plenty who have and all say they would NOT wish to repeat the experience. As I read the evidence, the problem is less contempt of the leniency of the sentence, more a confidence that if the offence is investigated at all conviction is unlikely.

 

 

A laudible but naive statement in the context of overcrowded prisons. I am intrigued that miscreants should be managed regardless of cost whereas people who are ill are treated on a cash-limited basis by the NHS.

SteveE

[NB Alnwick]

A laudible but naive statement in the context of overcrowded prisons. I am intrigued that miscreants should be managed regardless of cost whereas people who are ill are treated on a cash-limited basis by the NHS.

SteveE

 

Double standards!

 

My view is that wrongdoers are sick.

 

Sick people should be treated appropriately - that is what we pay taxes for.