Canal Boatmen

[Thor]

William Hoare my 2nd great grandfather was born 1794 at Fenny Compton, in Warwickshire on board his father's canal boat. William's father John Hoare married Elizabeth Lines, another canal boat family, in 1794 at the Dissenters Meeting House in Banbury, his occupation was listed as a Boatman. In the 1861 census William Hoare is listed at Warwick Avon, Nuneaton age 67 registered as the 'Captain' of the Canal Boat, also listed is his 15 year old daughter Emma. The boat is listed as the 'Mary Ann' carrying coal from Northampton, with a burden tonnage of 30 tons. William was married to Sarah Ann Knibbs, another boating family.

William's father John Hoare was born 1771 Neithrop Liberty, Neithrop, Banbury, he was married to Elizabeth Lines from another boating family. John and Elizabeth had 6 children, William who married Sarah Ann Knibbs, John who married Sarah Lines, Elizabeth married to William Burchell, Ann married to Joseph Burchell, Thomas married Jane Billingham and Joseph married Sarah Billingham, all the sons carried on the tradition of boatmen and the two daughters also married boatmen families. The Hoare family carried on the tradition of working on the canals until at least the early part of the 1900's.

[Heartland]

Welcolm to the Forum

It is always important to add new names to the understanding of boating families and 1794 is quite early.

 

The Oxford Canal was then open to Oxford and the Thames, but then families tended not to live onboard narrowboats. So is it suggested that this was a boating family as the birth was recorded on a narrowboat at Fenny Compton in 1794?

 

It is generally accepted that boatmen working the narrow boats were generally men and boys. So, how was the birth of William Hoare recorded in the baptism records ?

The wife tended to reside on land and raise the family.

 

As to the trade conducted in 1794, coal was often an important cargo as was lime. The merchandise trade was slowly improving then.

The later 1861 reference is a record of a coal trade which was probably involved with coal brought to the wharves at Northampton, and probably those on the Nene, after travelling along the Grand Junction Canal.  Coal could have been brought from a variety of pits which included those on the Ashby and Coventry Canals. 

 

Between 1794 and 1861 have any records been found of the the Hoares ?

 

 

 

[Thor]

Hi thanks for the reply, it looks from the records that when William's father, John Hoare and Elizabeth Lines married that she was already with child, they were married in Banbury 23 July 1794 and their son William was born the same year at Fenny Compton. William's father, John Hoare boatman was baptised 1771 in Neithrop, Banbury and his parents were Robert Hoare and Lucy Austin, Robert was born 1740 in Neithrop and his occupation was recorded as a glover breeches maker. The Hoare family moved from Tackley in Oxfordshire to Neithrop in 1705.

As mentioned John Hoare had six children, William Hoare born 1794 Fenny Compton, John Hore jnr. baptised 1804 at Fenny Compton, Elizabeth Hoare bap. 1806 at Fenny Compton, Thomas Hoare bap. 1811 Neithrop, Joseph Hoare bap. 1814 Neithrop, Ann Hoare born abt. 1811 Neithrop. All the sons continued as boatmen.

I have many records for the Hoare family which I will try to put into some sort of order, I am not very well organised. I do know that by the mid 1800's some of the Hoare family worked for Northampton Coal. They are also recorded in the publications , Cake and Cockhorse'. 

[Captain Pegg]

2 hours ago, Heartland said:

Welcolm to the Forum

It is always important to add new names to the understanding of boating families and 1794 is quite early.

 

The Oxford Canal was then open to Oxford and the Thames, but then families tended not to live onboard narrowboats. So is it suggested that this was a boating family as the birth was recorded on a narrowboat at Fenny Compton in 1794?

 

It is generally accepted that boatmen working the narrow boats were generally men and boys. So, how was the birth of William Hoare recorded in the baptism records ?

The wife tended to reside on land and raise the family.

 

As to the trade conducted in 1794, coal was often an important cargo as was lime. The merchandise trade was slowly improving then.

The later 1861 reference is a record of a coal trade which was probably involved with coal brought to the wharves at Northampton, and probably those on the Nene, after travelling along the Grand Junction Canal.  Coal could have been brought from a variety of pits which included those on the Ashby and Coventry Canals. 

 

Between 1794 and 1861 have any records been found of the the Hoares ?

 

 

 

 

There are lots of records of the Hoare family. They may not be a name that is well known but they are well connected being married directly into the Grantham and Hone families plus many others that will be familiar to anyone who studies boating family history.

 

They are closely intertwined with my own family tree through links to Neal, Grantham, Knibbs and Cort over multiple generations. The Charles Hoare in question in this thread was my grandmother's cousin - although I don't think I'm directly related to @Thor 

[jeannette smith harrison]

44 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:

 

There are lots of records of the Hoare family. They may not be a name that is well known but they are well connected being married directly into the Grantham and Hone families plus many others that will be familiar to anyone who studies boating family history.

 

They are closely intertwined with my own family tree through links to Neal, Grantham, Knibbs and Cort over multiple generations. The Charles Hoare in question in this thread was my grandmother's cousin - although I don't think I'm directly related to @Thor 

Could this be one of your connections 

[Thor]

Hi there Captain Pegg, my name is Malcolm Hoare, all those names are very familiar to me, William Hoare and Sarah Ann Cort were my great grandparents, William's parents were William Hoare snr. and Sarah Anne Knibbs. John George 'Jack' Grantham married my 2nd cousin Sarah Elizabeth Hoare, daughter of Charles Hoare and Sarah Ann Neal. I guess that makes us distantly related.

[Captain Pegg]

1 hour ago, jeannette smith harrison said:

Could this be one of your connections 

 

It most definitely is Jeannette. Sarah Ann Hoare was another of my grandmother's cousins, Neal's on the maternal side. Also I think John George Grantham may have been the owner of the boat Forget Me Not that is just about still extant at Shrewley. I'd have to check that to be certain though. Nonetheless I always slow to an absolute crawl when I pass that site.

 

Note the address of Factory Street for Mr Grantham, there were a small number of houses that were used - whether physically or just for the address - by various members of the Grantham, Hoare, Hone and Neal families, and probably one or two others. All were Oxfordshire families that came on to the canals mostly from agricultural work. In the case of the Grantham's there were probably more than a hundred of them recorded on boats and all can be traced back to Lower Heyford.

[Captain Pegg]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

Hi there Captain Pegg, my name is Malcolm Hoare, all those names are very familiar to me, William Hoare and Sarah Ann Cort were my great grandparents, William's parents were William Hoare snr. and Sarah Anne Knibbs. John George 'Jack' Grantham married my 2nd cousin Sarah Elizabeth Hoare, daughter of Charles Hoare and Sarah Ann Neal. I guess that makes us distantly related.

 

Hi Malcolm.

 

I said earlier that I didn't think we were directly related but in fact we have a shared ancestor in Jonathan Cort (b.1807). Sarah Ann Cort's older sister Ellen (or Ellinor) was my great-great grandmother. She married Isaac Thompson originally of West Bromwich/Smethwick and their daughter Rebecca married David Neal of the Neal family of Banbury (although born in Ocker Hill, Tipton). They are my great grandparents via their daughter Emily (1901-2001). They had a house near Sutton Stop from the mid-1890s (as well as owning and operating two horse boats). I think that makes us third cousins once removed.

 

I have lots of information on the boating side of the extended family and their wider connections.

[Thor]

Hi Captain, yes this makes us cousins, my family moved from Northampton to Birmingham in the early 1900's. My grandfather Daniel Hoare, son of William Hoare and Sarah Ann Cort born 1870 Mill Lane, All Saints, Northampton served on HMS Impregnable 31 Aug 1886. Daniel is listed as 5'1" in height, brown hair and brown eyes, pale complexion, tattoo on left wrist, occupation shoe trade. Daniel married Harriet Caroline Savage 1898 in Northampton, by 1912 they had moved to Birmingham, In 1920 Daniel and Harriett Hoare were listed as living at 57 Stratford Road, Sparkbrook, Birmingham. Daniel had started a business as a shoe repairer. See photo. Daniel and Harriet Hoare had eleven children all living in one room above the shop. Any information you could give me on the family would be appreciated.