Ermenilda

good god - pathetic

woof! right over my head - not a clue what you on about there (must be before my time) but sounds funny... Gibbo undoubtedly has a strong following on here but I don't see why that excuses him errr yeh right you are then... errr yes and I am also a Russian spy... Is it not painfuly obvious to others what he is doing? but listen - I would much rather stick to the point than spend time getting further into a drawn out argument - I have and am still trying to move things on - but if Gibbo's response to anything I say is that he won't look at it becuase it is drivel/can't be prooved/I made it up then - surely there must be others on here that are willing to discuss ideas without being so judgemental and dismissive? PS - FYI - I am not Chris - whoever he is

interesting... conflicting... surely this would have been a perfect post for here

are you referring to me as being 'Chris'?

Give it up Gibbo - you're the one having a bl**din laugh and making yourself look the fool now you are REFUSING to understand the point I am trying to make out of pure bloody mindedness - pathetic I know full well what wikipedia is all about - I had no idea it was added last night and you are right in that some of it seems to have been edited out now - I do hope you are not trying to insinuate that I added it! (and I wouldn't suspect that you were the one that got the article edited would I?) it was just something I posted off the cuff last night but I have since found lots of other info relating to the use of capacitors similar to this I am only exploring what's out there - if you have a look around the net you will find plenty relating to this same idea - It is out there happening right now whether you and your stuck in your ways mind wishes to accept it or not! You seem to have succeeded in turning a number of posts into pathetic tit for tat arguments which I never intended or wished to get into and on the whole really is not very productive or pleasant reading. I have tried to keep to the point and whilst evidentally I am not 'getting' what you are saying I am trying my best to understand as you are getting ruder and more arrogant by the post - your approach is not going to disuade me from free thinking but I must admit you are doing a damn good job of trying and doubtless are putting others off from posting - shame on you

carry on like this and you are going to end up looking the fool as you are failing to realise that this post/observation has nothing to do with my stupid ideas - it is a totally seperate post about something I observed and was looking for an explanation - as yet I have not seen one from you other than 'it cannot be possible due to the laws of physics' - lets just leave it at that then shall we hahaha - can't take what you dish out? I countered your points and you didn't bother reading them? hahah didn't you even bother to read the bit about what the batteries were connected to? you oughta be careful where you cruise - you might drop off the edge of the world where there be serpents and mermaids... hmmm... are we back in primary school now then? Yes you have a great wealth of experience/knowledge but your style is now becoming childish - I have used the WORDS perpetual motion in reply to your post but NOTHING I have ever proposed or talked about is in relation to perpetual motion - I have not ONCE suggested anything that is purporting to be perpetual motion - quite the OPPOSITE as you pointed out the diodes for example would LOOSE energy follow the herd/grease up to Gibbo and just point and laugh at me

it's late and I was saving my post for tommorow but couldn't resist posting what I just found - check this out from wikipedi -> I put the bolds in - had to resist putting the whole lot in bold!

ooooo... that is a little risque isn't it? especially with all this talk about the heathen perpetual motion brigade flying about? haha - GOOD LUCK to you and your experiments sir - I look forward to hearing how you get on! (PS - I tried to measure the current on my laptop charger but the clamp meter not sensitive enough and didn't have time to unwire things to put a multimeter inline just yet - will let you know if manage to get round to it!)

OK - thanks - most appreciated - puttin it plain n simple - finally hahaha - alllll haaaiiillll Gibbo! hahahah errrr... one ends stuck to my... no seriously - and you say I am having a giraffe? the bleedin batteries! what else! you can see it clear as day in the first picture. Just to clarify for those in the back though - the battery charger is connected to the battery and the multimeter is connected to the same battery and the clamp meter is on the positive cable coming from the battery charger - errm that's about it really... hahah - hahahah - sorry - but wow you are one tough customer! I am not concluding anything - it is completely baffling me! nor am I starting any vain attempts to search for a magic connection! I just put up what I am witnessing first hand. At least this time you didn't say I must be measuring it wrong... in fact it is not equal charge into each battery (4A and 4A) - as you can see from the pictures the last one shows 2.34A flowing into the second battery and as I stated, but did not photograph, there was ~6A coming out of the charger (this was about 10-15 mins after initial photo's as I realised I had not taken a picture of this) therefore more flowing into one battery than the other - not 50-50 jeeez... look - I don't KNOW why it is doing it - but it sure as hell IS doing it... I am not trying to bend the laws of physics or pretend this has ANYTHING to do with perpetual motion (who was it started banging that gong?) the only guess I made at why it was doing it was because of something to do with the way the battery charger works - where am I bending laws!??! This is independant of all my stupid ideas although admitedly once I understand what is going on it might help out with them the charger goes up to 20A - it has a min and max and a boost which is the only time it belts out 20A+ (as I think justme said and is obviously familiar with this bog standard machinemart I think it was battery charger - OH! and there is NOTHING wrong with the switch - it is working just fine) As a rough estimate whenever it is on Min the actual output is about 3A and on max it is about 6A (I am talking average/what it settles down to/what I have witnessed on either of these settings when connected to one battery at a time as I have only just decided to start trying experiments with them in a bank becuase of this post) so FYI in these photo's the setting was on Max I have had them on charge all day now and the battery charger cable is reading ~5A and the voltage is ~13.6V (yes yes - these are KNACKERED batteries!) and the current between the two is ~2.1A - so it is closer but still not a 50/50 split BOTH! perhaps this'll make you laugh/wind you up maybe - have you heard about quantum physics? it might go some way to helping you out with your 20 year battery conundrum? whilst 4+4=8 there is more to this universe (and batteries!) than simple algebra nope - just you and errm who was it - roger someone I think - you're the ones that started goin on about perpetual motion - nothing I have suggested is remotely connected with perpetual motion (I've had a few ideas along those lines as I'm sure you mighta guessed but most are long since forgotten and consigned to the rubbish bin - you gotta dream tho eh!) yup - fine fine - I agree with this but am still a little confused why there would be different amounts of amps going into one battery than the other (rememebring that the start of this thread was about putting an 'alright' battery in with a bunch of gooduns) also I don't understand why the battery charger that has still not got a couple of bateries up to a proper 14.4v bulk charge should then start pulling back on the amps to 5A when the batteries are only 13.6v ish and it has already clearly demonstarted that it can do 8A - but hey that really is another story for another day I think and one more to do with the characteristics of the battery charger I guess - it is the thing about unequal currents flowing into the batteries that is getting me... in fact! I just realised - god this is kinda doing my head in! on the boat - the currents running into each battery are not the same either! they are similar but not the same... I wish I had this clamp tester years ago! I could have tested the links between the old battery bank and what amps were flowing where and build up a picture of what is happening - NOT to start what was it - some magic connection - but to understand how this all works! there is another thread on here about someone wanting to learn electrics and being advised to buy a multi meter and prod about a bit! hahah - yeh - why not - some basics might help first tho eh! but essentially I go along with that approach - just be careful!

haha I guess... I'll let you know how he gets on tho blodger - many a surprise from me but I already write mini essays every time I post that I can't fit everything in!

wow! on every level wow! I applaud you for having had a battery bank for 10 years so I know now that this IS achievable and the idea of chucking out batteries every couple of years is ridiculous secondly - 10 year old you say? well - from what I have learnt it is 'common' in the battery industry for manufacturers to produce good batteries initially but over time and with increasing raw material costs etc. over the years the quality/amount of lead etc. goes down but they keep the same label and marketing bumpf on the battery! so could it be that you 'got em when they were good'? 10 years - really well done! arrrggghhhh me hearties yer might be right where/who's this bouncing Steve then?

yeh - so even the greatest minds don't have allll the answers? batteries really are little mystery boxes eh... I just did the experiment again - a picture speaks a thousand words the complete setup (ignore the compressor!) the Charger Battery 1 on charge independently Batttery 2 on charge independently Battery 1 & 2 together looking at all the pictures I then realised I did not measure the current flowing in the wire conneting the positives - here is it -> this is taken about 10-15 minutes after the initial reading and so the voltage (batteries were left connected in this config) was now at 13.32v and the amps running from the battery charger was about 6A PLEASE realise though - I am not trying to say/prove that you are wrong Gibbo! I am only very confused why this would happen and trying to come to terms with/improve my knowledge about how things work... I don't think this is one of those 'intelligent' battery chargers which might be the reason why it is 'compensating' or something? so all I want to do by posting this info is to get a response why I would be seeing this behaviour - NOTHING to do with any of my other posts/stupid ideas etc. I hope you can afford me an answer on this despite having been dismissed as an incompetent? wow - talk about stuck in your ways! perpetual motion? who's talking about perpetual motion? I know where you are coming from but who's talking about perpetual motion here? Gibbo - I understand it that you invented/developed this SG thing that's supposed to be the dogs wotsits - did anyone try and put you down and dismiss you as a nut? some must have told you what you were trying to do was not possible/would not achieve anything/was impossible etc? seems to me like you are willing to carry on blinkered through life now you reckon you've 'cracked it' with the SG and nobody/nothing else can even come close to improving upon the situation - I can't believe you can have such a closed view if you were open enough to think up the SG - I think really you are just dismissing me out of hand because it is in your opinion a nutty idea and you don't think too highly of my electrical skills - I think that is a shame for someone with such obvious knowledge about the subject you did explain in great detail that it would not achieve anything other than to loose energy via heat at the diodes - you did not explain that it would not work - ie short something out/blow up a battery/unable to provide reliable output at distribution or anything like that unless I missed something?

what? obviously I am in your opinion what? what does my idea have to do with Elecsol? the initial post was about Elecsols and still is but why the above prompted you to contact Steve when you never did before (but I wish you had) I don't know? what am I having a laugh about? who's steve? I thought it was a bloke called mike at Elecsol - might be wrong - but yeh - be happy to actually TALK to someone at elecsol rather than being hung up on all the time! PLEASE DO GET IN TOUCH STEVE! I'm the bloke who purchased the 2 X 220Ah batteries that you won't give me an invoice for and keep hanging up on all the time! I'm only suggesting an idea based on what I know about batteries and how they behave - Gibbo - you've told me that it won't achieve anything - you haven't once said that it is flawed (Keeping Up did - and I corrected my circuit diagram - he hasn't said it is flawed anymore and now seems to agree that it will work in principal but why not just use... a battery! becuase a battery takes a long time to charge - a capacitor doesn't - isn't this how you move things on?) you just think it is stupid and you've dismissed me as an incompetent (I am just replying to your other post about my giraffe (?) so I'll leave the details on there) so you've got your head stuck in the sand (ostrich) so once again - you have NOT said that it is flawed - only that in your opinion and with an equal state battery bank it will achieve absolutely precisley NOTHING other than to waste energy as heat from the diodes so what?? turn up the voltage limiter to compensate for this anyway - obviously you've made your mind up that I am nothing short of an incompetent stupid fool wasting everyones time and it is now time to bring in the Elecsol heavies to sort me out - hahah bring it on! such a shame to see such an approach from people that obvioulsy have an abundance of knowledge on the subject... I think others who are less knowledgeable/in the Gibbo gang/don't want to look an arse are refraining from commenting - again - a great pity I think in an open forum

hmmm... not really flawed in every way then really is it... I admire your persistance to dismiss this idea outright and your unwillingness to accept new ideas! the earth IS flat!!! you are totally right about the incorrect placement of the capacitor and what a fool I am to have missed that - I also did not put any of the Negative wiring in did I but it is only supposed to be a sketch - It is not yet ready to be submitted to the IEEE or patent office just yet... how about this? I don't know how the volatge limiter should be placed as I am not au fait with such a device (but by continuing on this path of submitting my proposal and receveiving hostile/non hostile feedback perhaps this too will be corrected?)

I talked him into it! he purchased the first one prob about a year ago and although he is a VERY (and I mean VERY) low consumer he's been very happy with it and is slowly building up with solar panels, electric outboard etc. the other thing (that baffles me really) is that (again on my advice/passing on the Elecsols sales bumpf) the owner of an outdoor market I know wanted to have an eco-market and so purchased I think it was 8 of the 110Ah's that they have put into stanley tool box things on wheels with an inverter on each one that they put to charge during the week - the idea is to get into wind/solar power eventually - they power the strings of lights above the stalls and have been working a treat - they're very happy with them! maybe it's just the 220's that are duff?