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10 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:
So at 13000 hours in private use I would not expect burred flywheel teeth but possible.
The last sentence suggest to me, it may well be a lack of electricity causing a lack of "oomph" from the solenoid. Definitely check what Tracy advised to include ensuring the battery terminals mating surfaces are clean and tight. Then check the multiplug(s) connections for tightness and cleanliness. Finally, if you have no luck try the test I suggested. It might be poor contacts in the ignition switch causing resistance. You can test for that by simply shorting between he ignition switch main input terminal and the start terminal. If it works every time there but no on the key suspect switch contacts.
I realise that it can be irritating when someone doesn't just go and make the checks which you advise, and indeed I will make them!
First though, can you explain the link between any engine movement and a poor electrical connection.
Sorry, posts crossed.
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4 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
Agree with Tony on the mechanical non engagement of the pinion.
But check all the electrical connections from battery through to starter and the negative returns from engine to battery. You could just have a high resistance connection.
How would any electrical problem be solved by a mechanical movement of the engine?
This is a genuine question, I really don't understand.
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2 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:
If the engine had been a marinised petrol engine I would say it would very likely be the starter bendix stuck in mesh, especially if you got a bit of a click as you moved the pulley, but it is not and diesels use a different form of starter drive.
How old/how many hours is on the engine because a four-cylinder diesel will stop in only one of two positions and if the teeth on the flywheel in that area and/or on the starter pinion are burred then the moving gear on the starter motor can hit the burr and that will stop the contacts that apply power to the actual motor from closing. Hence, the click as the solenoid tries to pull the gears into mesh but nothing else. Move the engine round, so undamaged teeth are then in line, and it will engage the gears properly and start.
Unfortunately it is unlikely to be easy to get the starter motor off a Beta, so you can inspect the flywheel teeth, but if you can and find burs you can file the burs until the tooth shape is similar to the undamaged ones.
There may be other causes, especially if you use a relay or another solenoid to energize the relevant terminal on the motor, but that is not typical Beta practice.
Thanks very much Tony.
First your question; the engine is 19 years old and has nearly 13,000 hours on the clock.
The click is when I turn the key, not when I move the pulley.
On small movement usually solves the problem but occasionally I have to move it several times, almost a full rotation.
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I wonder if someone could help identify a starting problem?
I need to focus on a single issue, so if you could limit your diagnostic thinking within the limited information supplied, that would be a particular help to me.
Sometimes my engine won’t start, i.e. it does not turn over and there is a “click” very like a solenoid click but nothing else.
If I turn the belt pulley a little it then starts as normal.
There is no pattern to its starting/not starting but this season, out of 98 attempts it has failed to start 15 times. Only two non starts were on consecutive days, the longest period of successful starts was 17 days.
How much I need to move the pulley varies, usually only once but occasionally several times.
Can anyone say what particular fault could produce these results?
The engine is a Beta 43 and it is in an engine room so this is not an enormous problem, but it is irritating.
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28 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
I think your spelling may not be correct ;
We have a Middle C so it is quite reasonable to have High C's and Low C's is it not ?
(FYI - Middle C is the fourth C key from left on a standard 88-key piano keyboard)
And thanks to google :
In vocal music, the term High C (sometimes less ambiguously called Top C) can refer to either the soprano's C6 (1046.502 Hz; c′′′ in Helmholtz notation) or the tenor's C5; both are written as the C two ledger lines above the treble clef but the tenor voice sings an octave lower. The term Low C is sometimes used in vocal music to refer to C2 because this is considered the divide between true basses and bass-baritones: a basso can sing this note easily, whereas other male voices, including bass-baritones, typically cannot.
Surely not. Is it not near the lid lock?
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5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
I think you will find that statement is not correct, and, I'm not sure that you can pay HMRC in the US - maybe you mean the US IRS ?
Hence all the fuss about Rishi Sunaks wife not paying tax on her foreign earnings (but now she is)
If you are a UK resident you must pay UK tak on any foreign income.
If you are a 'non-dom' the you are not required to pay UK tax on forign earnings (A non-dom is someone who lives in the UK but declares their permanent home to be in another country).
This years experiences of (the forums overseas owners) trying to renew their boat insurance shows that if you need to get your boat insured you must be a UK resident with your permanent home in the UK.
Rishi Sunak's wife to pay UK tax on overseas income - BBC News
Broadly, the statement is correct.
I won't go into the UK/USA double taxation regime here. It's complex, boring to anyone not directly involved and besides, I'm no longer being paid to do it! You will find it all in the treaty if you are interested.
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30 minutes ago, Tonka said:
Have you not seen brass portholes
I have all brass portholes, two of them open an inch and the glass can be lifted out.
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1 hour ago, Goliath said:
Does Sherborne Wharf still offer moorings?
You could pay your pound instead of dumping a boat and denying a visitor space for the games.🤷♀️just an idea.
Yes, we had a visitor mooring a few weeks ago.
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On 05/07/2022 at 18:38, Mike Tee said:
They are rare, but I have seen trads with engine room, and a permanent double in place of the cabin replica. Just wasn’t one around when I was looking, as I would have liked a looksee as I think I would prefer that.
That is what my Orion has, it also has a 'tug style' deck (it's about a foot below the gunnel). Of course the deck wastes/uses 12 foot of the 70' but we prefer it.
PM me if you would like to see it, not for sale but there are certainly others about.
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12 hours ago, Col_T said:
Many thanks for the comments, gents.
@Captain Pegg Pearsons et al are full of “don’t leave your boat unattended here” comments which can be a little unsettling, particularly as we haven’t been into,Birmingham on the boat.
@David Mack My Pearsons reckons that Star City is at the junction of the GU and the Birmingham & Fazeley.
I wasn’t explicit, but we are thinking of going up to the very top of the GU, hence Star City, overnighting thence the Aston and Farmers Bridge flights to Cambrian Wharf, then leaving Brum on the Birmingham and Worcester.
From Catherine de Barnes to Camp Hill is shallow (even since the recent dredging), dirty and not particularly salubrious but it is not unsafe. If you are delayed (perhaps by stuff round your prop) you can overnight anywhere along there. You shouldn't leave the boat unattended but that's ok 'cause there is nowhere to go anyway.
I don't personally go that way because my boat draws 31" and the trip is a pain but when at home I walk my dog along there every day, I have seen boats in 'difficulty' but never trouble involving humans.
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3 hours ago, Mike Todd said:
That reminds me of the story by Roald Dahl in which a murder was effected by the use of a frozen meat joint which had defrosted by the time the police came to investigate!
Susan George had it in the oven by the time the officers visited, I seem to remember that she offered them some.
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1 hour ago, dreadnought said:
hi all,is it acceptable to add an extra battery to the existing battery bank via car jump leads,there are three 130 amp battery's in the existing bank now ,asking for a friend,many thanks
Just to add a bit of background, there are three batteries in the bank,300 watts of solar,but still having to run engine twice a day to top batts up,so he is going to pop another battery in the bank to get through the summer, tia
Unless I've misunderstood you, this would not only be dangerous but futile. If the solar is not topping up 3 batteries it will top up 4 even less.
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4 minutes ago, cuthound said:
And the starter motor is now accessible... 🤣😂
And the gearbox oil cooler - all sorts of bits and pieces really.
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16 minutes ago, cuthound said:
Also there are currently no suitable low revving engines that meet the emissions standards. ☹️
Somehow a Beta 43 in a dedicated engine room doesn't cut it.
🤣😂
I understand exactly what you mean and it was forced on me by circumstance; but my Beta 43 is now in a dedicated engine room and it doesn't look too bad. Also the extra storage space is handy.
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22 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:
The Queen chose not to use the date that she officially became the Queen as that was the day here father passed away and she didn't feel it right to celebrate on that day.
I think a very valid point on her behalf.
This weekend is the closest weekend after her official birthday hence why it was chosen.
Unfortunately due to the blustery north easterlies here there are very few boats in the harbour so it wasn't a very good turn out.
Still well done to those who did take part.
This is often the case!!
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13 hours ago, TheBiscuits said:
That's kind of what I was saying above. It's bad to tip urine in the cut because it's an excellent fertiliser.
The ones who do tip it in also tend to be the ones who complain most about CRT not clearing the weeds too!
I would be fascinated by a copy of the data supporting this profound finding. The researchers methodology would prove interesting reading too.
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Chris,
Welcome to the forum.
Nice to see you on here, we are often a bit reactionary but by-and-large, we are reasonable people.
I for one would not go back to my previous toilet arrangements, I prefer a dry toilet.
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2 hours ago, Tonka said:
Some people on here rate Orion boats but I do not like them. I do not think Doug Moore boats are a good example, they are ok but not the best.
A painted bucket is still only a bucket
My boat is an Orion and, not surprisingly, I like it. Despite its multiple eccentricities.
When I first bought it (9 years ago) it was often recognised as an Orion, much rarer now. Perhaps boaters in general are less interested in manufacturers today.
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20 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:
I dont recognise much if anything of what you describe, especially the bit about ones own business.
Well, in reverse order:-
Willington station is less than 15 mins walk away.
My pontoon was a a hundred or so yards walk from 'shore' and I almost never made the whole trip without being accosted by some individual or other wanting to talk, usually about inconsequential drivel.
We were on the 70' moorings opposite the 'boardwalk' and the boats functioned as decorative background for shoppers and visitors.
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On 20/10/2021 at 21:28, Arthur Marshall said:
Must confess I've always thought of a narrowboat as a biscuit tin with a pointy end. Some are uglier than others, but I never saw anything that would make me go "hey that's pretty". They're just an adaptation of working craft for a different purpose. Things, that's what they are, not works of art. Anything else is snobbery and an excuse to whack the price up.
I'm sure that many people think that their boats are 'better' than the rest - it's only natural.
But I do genuinely think my looks 'prettier' than others moored nearby. Even though the paintwork is fairly scruffy, something about the shape seems right.
Other owners think the same about theirs (but they are mistaken).🙂
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3 hours ago, The Happy Nomad said:
Sorry but I have to disagree.
Yes its very large but we found it a great place moor. Very well run and lots of facilities, very easy to access by car and boat.
Its central location on the system allows various cruising options.
Of course if one prefers a smaller marina it wont be for you. Not cheap either but as far as I recall it wasnt different price wise to similar setups with a similar level of facilities.
We really enjoyed our time there, we only moved to have our boat based closer to our home in the North East.
I'm in a similar position to yourself in so far as I used to moor a Mercia and no longer do so.
At first I enjoyed the novelty of being part of the "decorative element" of a shopping experience but that paled. I am not
veryat all 'social', I have no interest in the business of others and resent their interest in mine.Eventually, the proximity of Willington station was not enough to balance the rest.
Others will have different tastes - each to his own.
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In the interest of balance I will suggest that Mercia is not a good choice of base.
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It is rather difficult to get at, particularly in a long boat. I think most people use Aston which is only a mile and three locks away, access there is straight forward.
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Leaving aside price, is availability ok?
I ask because my marina (in Staffordshire) e-mailed me to say that they were limiting the amount each person could buy.
Admittedly, this was a few weeks ago but they haven't said the policy has changed.
Diagnosis of an odd starting problem
in Boat Building & Maintenance
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This is a profound and interesting question, my answer is not so useful.
Naturally I am a bit concerned about the state of the state battery (even though the battery monitor says it's ok) so I don't often try multiple times. But once or twice it has started on the third attempt.
Also your question reminds me that I had a similar problem about seven years ago which led me to buy a new ignition switch (which I never fitted because the problem 'went away').Perhaps now would be the time to fit it.