Dr Bob

This morning. Why? One of the grandchildren needed a nappy change so I did it. No it isnt. It is about waste transfer laws and effect on picking lines. The CRT have got the same issue with nappies. According to your input (and Alans) the crt will be in breach of the transfer laws if more than one boat puts their weeks load of nappies in one bin. I cant see that being right. Not taken my bet then? That says a lot. Totally relevant. The 7Kg is offensive waste, not poo. You are trying to convince peeps that nappies contain a small fraction of the offensive stuff compared to dry toilets which is clearly untrue. Donald tried to do that ....and failed.

Wrong again. It is all the excrement from a body that is classed as offensive waste, wee and poo. Hence 5Kg per baby per week. Cant you add up?

Wrong again. You can keep pointing out things as long as you like and as often as you want but they will still be wrong. The amount of poo in the nappy is not the problem. It is the amount of offensive waste in the nappy that is the issue and the one that appears in law. As I showed above a typical family will produce circa 5KG of offensive body excrement in the fouled nappies per week that will go into the bin. The same weight of waste from a dry toilet for 2. It is the amount of offensive waste that is controlled going into a bin and being monitored for transport - and what is important to the guys on the picking line. There are at least 5 million nappies a day going into the system which is circa 750,000Kg of offensive waste per day.

Yes, he has finally told us that so his site will not be similar to the CRT issue. Instead look at the summer caravan sites. Not sure if know the one on the GU by the Blue Lias. I would reckon that 50% of the vans visiting have babies. Massive number of nappies going into dumpsters. Far more than any CRT site. That will be a huge problem breaking waste transfer laws according to Alan - so I dont think the 7kg of nappies per dumpster according to Alan is correct.

No the absobant material is quite low in weight. See my numbers above. A typical family with one baby are likely to generate and throw 5Kg of offensive waste into a bin per week (thats the weight of poo/wee, not the weight of nappy). The same as one boat with a couple on board. Both nappies and solid waste from a dry toilet are offensive waste and are likely to be thrown in a CRT bin. One baby = one dry toilet weight per week. There are lots of babies on hire boats. We produce around 5Kg a week which goes to a compost bin.

The problem here is you dont understand what the stuff is like as you have never seen it - as per 99% of other people here (including the main protaganists on here). That's not a criticism but a lot of peeps are making comments without actual data. If it is double bagged and inside another bag it is very unlikely to spread over anything else. It is not mobile enough. It is far less likely to contaminate other bits of the bin than a bag of nappies. Also it doesnt smell. It really is not the 'offensive' problem that certain people here make out in the CRT bin. Whilst you are 'worried' about the CRT bin, others are worried about where it goes and what happens when it gets there. Again for transport it is better than the a bag of nappies - so for one boat a week, think one boat with a baby for a week (and then think of the hire boats!!). There is no difference and I await Alans response if he has a load of caravans in the summer with babies? Once at Biffa's depot, it is not touched by human hand as per the other 5 million nappies PER DAY! Again 99% of peeps here have never seen a picking line (or dont understand they exist) so do not understand what is going on in the real world.

What a ridiculous thing to come out with. ...and it is totally misleading. We are talking offensive waste here not just faecal matter. A quarter of a ton!!!!?????? Get real. A baby in the first 6 months drinks circa 1 kg of milk per 24 hours. After than it moves to eating more solids but similar quantities. Some of this weight will go into body weight or into CO2 but likely 80% of it is excreted. So lets be conservative and say 0.75Kg goes into the nappies in 24 hours. That is 5Kgs of offensive waste in nappies per child per week. Note that this is very offensive - a very mobilel slurry of very smelly waste that stinks after a week in a bin before it is collected. This amount ties in quite well with the 7Kg the government allowance off disposal of offensive waste. So a family with one child will produce a similar weight of 'orrible stuff compared with the same weight of dried non smelly stuff from a dry toilet. There are over 5 million of these putting them in black bins which end up on Biffa's picking line (and others). Even if 30,000 boaters did it, it would pale into insigificance (<1% who find maths challenging). ......and Alan, stop banging on about commercial versus domestic waste. It all ends up on the same picking line. Ive asked you twice about your caravan site. I dont know how many dumpsters you have per caravan but lets assume 20. If you have half of those with kids in nappies and you empty them once per week then you will be shipping 50Kg of offensive waste with each shippment. How do you deal with this? If Biffa are upset with the odd bag of solid poo in CRT bins then they are not going to like you. Do you ban babies from your site? Note - whilst I am relaxed about dried poo going into waste bins (which by the way I do not do) as it is much safer than nappies (of which there are far more), I am totally against mixed human waste as that is smelly, 'orrible and can contaminate every thing else.

Have you done the sums? Birth rate of babies in the UK is around 750K a year. Therefore likely circa 1 million babies in nappies at the current time (assuming up to 18 month old). Babies start off with around 10 nappies a day at birth up to say 5 a day when 18 months. My limited maths says that is over 5 million nappies a day put in bins. Very little of this goes into dedicated nappy recycling. The rest goes on picking lines and is either land filled or incinerated. Would you dispute those figures. The data is easily available. It is quite shocking when you think about it. This is a huge amount of offensive waste being disposed of in black bin sacks. No, but they are being put on the councils picking line which is the key thing everyone seems to be objecting to.

So which waste was it. Mixed poo and wee or just solid dried poo? Please be specific. No they are not. Have you ever seen a picking line? No, obviously not. Bags are split and tipped onto the picking line. Only the hand picked stuff comes off for recycle. The rest on the belt ie nappies are untouched. There are a lot worse thing on the belt than double bagged solids from a dry toilet. These things are designed so peeps dont have to handle the bad stuff.

There are a lot of toilets where wee and poo and sawdust are bagged and thrown away. That is not a good idea but still allowed under waste regulations if under 7Kgs. If it appeared liquid it is likely it is one of these. Solids only buckets dont appear as liquids. Did it smell - if it did and it was liquid then it is not the subject of what Damien was discussing. No it wasnt me. I do not put my solids in CRT bins. Are you accusing me of doing so? If so please do not.

That is not the waste that comes out of the solids bucket. If its wet then that is the composition of a poo and wee mixed that should not be put in a bin -allthough millions of nappies go in each day. The output of the solids bucket is almost dry - the consistency of horse manure (ish). What you experienced is not the topic being discussed in the original subject from Damien.

I thought the official guidance says it is not safe at all to mingle until it is proven the vacine stops the spread from person to person .....so that peeps stay at home. Of course it is bound to be more positive than this and we should be able to mingle (at least with other peeps who have had the vacine) but the gov cant afford to say any more as it will just lead to loads of 'mingling'. In the meantime I will mingle on my own.

I think that it will stop you 'getting it' and that means then you wont have it to spread....but they havent shown that yet so no one dare say it....and if they did then all the vacinated peeps would be out partying it up ....which is what they dont want. Will it stop you getting it? I am sure the virus will get in your body, try to establish itself and then hopefully the antibodies/T cells caused by the vacine will zap it so it then is 'dead' and cant be spread infecting others. Maybe the virus will fight the protection before it 'dies' meaning that small bits can get out and infect others. Time will tell! We've not had the argument yet about whether a virus can be termed 'alive'?

Oh, I agree it is worldbeating but it will still be there in the background. I admire what the government has done with the vaccine but they were not on the ball in the early days. Even now the border controls seem a bit lax. Reading all the bumph on the Aussie quarantine hotels, it is likely cases will slip through. Unfortunately there seems no happy medium to eradicate the virus (requiring endless lockdown) or open up the economy. It seems you can't do both. A really strict international quarantine would be great at stopping variants coming in but at what cost to the economy? Even with the great vaccine role out, there is a risk of serious spread in the unvaccinated. I hope the government do aim to get all cases below 1,000 per day before opening the economy up as that will minimise mutations.

I guess that death rates will be suppressed with all the jabs that have been delivered but the infection rates could still be high. Even by end April there will still be 50% of peeps not inoculated so plenty of bandwidth for virus spread and hence mutation. Far less likelihood of us oldies going to hospital or dying though.......if the virus works......which it might not if it mutates too much! I would like to see a plan of eradicating it like NZ rather than leaving it in the background.

I think Nick is right. I am talking about Li batteries. I thought that is what the thread was about and its drift onto talking about not continuing to charge once the bank was at full charge. Apologies if I confused you. Voltage is the key for me in assessing how charged the batteries are.

We sold a boat in May last year - just after the first lockdown. Sale agreed in Feb at pre covid prices but contract delayed due to lockdown. By the time we got the money I reckon prices had gone up by 10%. They have not stopped there. Good boats are in demand so it wouldnt surprise me if prices have gone up 10-15% since Jan 2020. The broker will be expecting you to knock off £2-3K for all the things that are wrong with it which a new survey will unearth. If you like the boat, buy it quickly.

I think the nappy thing is very rellevant. Maybe we are arguing at cross purpose here so lets just try and understand what is being said. I am thinking you are saying that Biffa dont like peeps putting more than one 7kg package of Offensive waste (ie nappies or solids from a dry toilet in a dumpster) hence the CRT are becoming anti dumping dry waste. My reading of the waste transport regulations are that an individual cannot put more than one 7Kg package of this waste in a black bag per collection cycle. It seems to me that is likely what a family may dispose of weekly via nappies. The 7Kg relates to domestic waste. Now, going to Dumpsters, what are the rules? What are you allowed to do on your campsite? It will be very similar to all marina's and CRT bins. I would think that multiple peeps must be allowed more than one 7Kg package. What happens when you get 4 families with babies. You will have easily 28Kg of packages in your dumpster. Do Biffa reject that? Do you document every bag of nappies that go into the dumpster? This will then be the same on the canals. 4 boats pull up at a service point and all dump a weeks worth of nappies into the dumpster. The rules about dumping human waste will be based on nappies so is very relevant. Please explain how you deal with nappies on your site.

I never ever look at SoC. It lies. I reset the meter to reset the Ahr in/out. This can be done at what ever SoC you like. I monitor my SoC by looking a the voltage at lowish current draw (ie typical 5A out on ours with fridge compressor off , tv on etc) and knowing how that refers to Ahrs out - from a previously drawn graph. I use the Ahr in/out as a back up check but this drifts if you dont reset it. The key for me is the voltage. The voltage is very accurate in telling you how charged the battery is. The Ahrs help confirm. For me, its like learning a new language. I dont think in terms of SoC. I think in terms of voltage (where is it between 12.8 and 13.3V on discharge or 13.3 and 13.8V on charge) and in terms of Ahrs in/out.

I just reset mine at 80% or wherever I'm at and press the recent button if I want an accurate count of Ahrs in/out. You dont need to go to 100%.

No they are not. Damien has mentioned a 'should not'. That is not proposing to change what they have been proposing for the last 3 years. Put your money where your mouth is. £50 that the practice of solid waste is not banned by the CRT in 12 months without an easy alternative put in its place?

How do you know this? The word composting is used but is this what they are meaning? You dont know that and I dont know that. Most educated users see them as 'dry' toilets even if the manufacturers use the word composting.

So how do you deal with nappies. If you can only put 7Kg of nappies in a dumpster then that will be one family for a week. Even one family is likely to exceed that. @TheBiscuits, how many nappies did little Bob go through a week? You will be breaking the waste transfer rules each week?

I think Dora is spot on here. As I said in my post above, Alan keeps on going on about sloppy smelly stuff. Alan - have you ever seen a picking line? Do you know how they work. The contents of my 'bucket' that goes in the compost bin is not the consistency to get squeezed out of a bag in a bin lorry. There are far things worse. Have you discussed your concerns with a waste management company? Every council does waste differently and the CRT in its 'lump everything together' is the worst of them all. They could easily sort this by moving to a recycling at collection point like most 'best practice' ones do.

No they have not actually stated anything. Using 'should not' instead of 'must not' in one sentence is not policy. The discussion is now dominated here by peeps who dont like the idea of desiccated poo in CRT bins. Anyone who supports the idea is avoiding comment for fear of mass criticism. The inputs are therefore almost 100% against. The thread is now building strength based on cr&p assumptions and by peeps who dont understand the issue. An example is Alan who refers to smelly liquid waste being put in bins. No we are not doing a nappy disposal where smelly liquid human waste is put in bins. This is solids. Very solid. Like horse manure but not smelly. 99% of peeps here have never seen a picking line so do not know the hazards of waste segregation. Nappies and adult incontinence pads are dealt with very efficiently by leaving them on the belt. Its the stuff that contaminates all the other waste that goes to recycle that is the problem, like leaking nappies....and this is from my first hand knowledge on plastic recycling (I have part ownership of a plastic recycling company). Even more issue is food waste. It festers for 3 weeks and then spreads over everything. If peeps are really interested in recycling and assisting the picking line then we need dedicated food waste bags on the cut. What is the fate of chicken trays – the trays you buy in a supermarket. Covered in E-coli. Spread out in black bags. Go and have a look at a picking line. It may sway your views. There are bigger problems than desiccated poo in black bags. We then get to what has actually been said. The CRT have not banned these toilets and I will take Ian D's bet that they are banned any time soon. This is only a statement by Damien that is a 'should' not a 'must'. A few pages back, someone commented on the restriction of fat boats on the north Oxford being a similar problem – ie the CRT have turned a blind eye on it for years, neither supporting it or being against it..ie totally silent. Now they have said they allow it with restrictions. This is the 'contract law' stuff I was talking about pages back. I guess their lawyer say you cant ban fat boats as you have allowed it for years. I agree now, this is actually similar despite my original denial, but in this case the CRT actively encouraged the activity by putting in writing what to do. Once again, it is pointless arguing this as we need a contract lawyer, but my reading is that they do have an obligation. Ian's view is different. No point in arguing. The other thing that is being misrepresented is the illegality of putting it in a black bin. Alan keeps banging on that it is illegal due to waste transfer regulations. Once again we are clutching at straws. It is not clear. According to the words, and individual can put the solids +liquids!!!!! in a black bag as long as it is less than 7Kgs and only once in the 'cycle'. Think though about what this means. It has to be aimed at nappies put in a black bag then put in the wheelie bin. 7Kgs??? Sounds like nappies disposed of at 1kg per day for 7 days. No mention of 'dumpsters'. No one here knows the rules being applied to dumpsters. One bag of solid poo per week is far better than a weeks worth of stinking nappies for transport. Most of the comments on here are assuming what Biffa and CRT are thinking. Those assumptions are not fact and may be far from the truth. Anywho, I will continue to compost my waste and so this issue is not a problem for me but it is a concern for many. This problem will rumble on for years.