Jim Riley
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4 hours ago, cuthound said:
I've always dropped through them to moor in the basin whenever I've visited Chester.
They are impressive locks.
I lurve approaching Chester by boat, going under the city wall it is the nearest you are likely to get to boating in the moat of a castle.
Skipton Springs Branch, once went right to the end in our first boat, 17.5ft cruiser. It goes under the castle walls.
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@LadyG Castleford elsan was working on Wednesday morning. But you will pass Lemonroyd elsan before then. It's tucked in round the back of the red services block, on the side facing the marina. So you shouldn't have to cross your legs for too long.🤣
Or maybe it is a pump out you need? Perhaps you need a shewee to go off your back deck? Equality at last.
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4 minutes ago, Mike Todd said:
Can you point us to the bit in the rules that says that having a boat and a licence requires you to go boating? (In your terms)
Why have a boat and not move at all? If your lines are slack at least you have been somewhere, though not far. Otherwise get a caravan in your garden, on the edge. Same view, cheaper mooring. Though admittedly, no excuse to shout at passing boats.
Not that that has stopped some people, got "requested to slow down" from a canalside balcony once, in Luddenden Foot. There were no other boats around, no breaking wash etc.
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1 hour ago, frangar said:
Why not CRT boats?? They are just as likely to pull free and if they have someone working in them why are they not offered the same courtesy as any other boat.
I'd suggest they are more likely to pull free.
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22 hours ago, cuthound said:
I've been boating in the canals since 1973 and the advice has always been to slow down past moored boats.
In the commercial carrying days, boats moored online during the day would have been unusual, so no need for them to slow down.
My boat only touches the bottom when the level is low and a boat speeds past. As I said the water is about 3' 6"' deep when the canal is at weir level. My boat draws about 30".
When I bought the house and asked CRT permission to develop the mooring (over 8 years ago), the mooring conditions document said they could not guarantee adequate depth, that it was my responsibility to dredge it using only CRT approved contractors, and that the minimum charge would be £6,000.
I would outsource it to some wader owning mooring faeries who have a long handled shovel.😉
My mooring is in a very short pound, they have been known to visit when the pound is low, possibly a hire boater left a paddle up. Who knows?
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32 minutes ago, cuthound said:
You are showing a compete lack of knowledge about boating and the effect that different types of boat have when passing moored boats.
No passing boats going slowly cause my boat to dip.
Smaller, lighter ones can go past a bit faster without causing it to dip, heavier, deeper draughts boats cause it to dip more at a given speed than lighter ones.
My local historic fuel boat when passing fully laden and doesn't cause my boat to dip and nor do the numerous deep draughts historic boats which moor nearby.
The mooring is about 3' 6" deep when the cut is at wier level, although it rapidly shallows after my mooring just before the adjacent bridge. The canal is well over 5' deep in the centre. My mooring is an end of garden mooring, so relatively cheap compared to a CRT on line mooring.
My mooring is on a common part of two popular cruising rings, so a lot of boats pass, especially this time of year.
95% plus of boats manage to pass without causing concern, it is just a few percent of peoe going too.fast which cause it to dip.
So it is just a few ignorant people who pass to fast.
What problem does this dippage cause? Is it worth worrying over if only a small percentage cause it? (And there I go, "an ill defined small percentage" some people claim or act as though 4% or so is a vast majority🤣🤣)
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13 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:
It’s really simple. You slow down for all boats as requested by the navigation authority.I’ll leave cuthound to explain why your questions are daft in his case.
Do the navigation authority specify what slow is? It isn't clear from the shouty boaters what constitutes "to fast" as @MtB pointed out. We could then avoid unnecessary arguement.
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1 hour ago, MtB said:
May we infer you know of some who aren't, then?
They voted brexit🤣🤣🤣🤣
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2 hours ago, Idle Days said:
I'm just a nobody that would not knowingly delay you, in the very likely event that you catch me up.
Then why the judgemental comment about speed and getting somewhere?
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8 minutes ago, Idle Days said:"if you are in a hurry". Perhaps you have picked the wrong mode of transport
Sometimes even boaters have a train to catch and wish to make progress without undue hindrance and within the speed limits. Who are you to hold them up?
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17 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:
I don't do ether
Neither do I, gives me a banging head.
19 hours ago, Jerra said:You mean like the ones sold for the purpose?
Blow your own trumpet? We have some experts on here.
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10 minutes ago, Paul C said:
True, by letting MtB or any other boater relegate the volockie to gongoozler status, he (probably) could have got through the lock eventually.
The original point remains....that once the boat is in the lock and the gates are shut, the next step in lock operation is the opening of the paddles to alter the water level as appropriate. If he wants to do something the volockie is not expecting - like positioning in a specific way, getting off the boat, or attaching a rope/line to something, he'd better either 1) make that crystal clear or 2) do it before the gate is shut..........because some volockies and many 'helpers' don't wait, or don't feel the need to check with the boater of the boat in the lock. Its simply laying the facts out. Think of it as the locking equivalent of defensive driving.
The volockie is there for a reason. Sometimes that reason is so they can 'play' with the canal system, in much the same way MtB wants to.
So they DON'T leak but the water still gets through?
My understanding is that Volockies are trained to ask if the boater needs help before taking action, if the answer is "whack em up" then fine. You are handing control to the volockie in saying that the boater should anticipate the actions of someone on the bank. No one is suggesting that the volockie is relegated to gongoozler status, allowing them to rush in is relegating the boater to gongoozler. It's about appropriate and prompt communication while respecting the wishes of the boater.
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10 minutes ago, IanD said:
Perhaps instead of blaming CART, we should blame the relentless increase in lawyer-based sue-and-be-damned it-wasn't-my-fault culture, which leads organisations and companies of all sizes to put up warning signs like this to reduce the chances of them being sued by somebody without an ounce of common sense who injures themselves and then looks to see who can compensate them?
For most companies -- and I expect CART is no different -- putting up warning signs is cheaper than paying huge compensation claims and lawyers fees. I know, I've been involved in such an analysis, and the result was that even though everyone agreed the signs were stupid, they went up anyway... 😞
CRT are presuming a degree of literacy.
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21 hours ago, IanD said:
Yeah, great idea. Then CART waste more money replacing it, which means even less to spend on maintenance. Proper joined-up thinking... 😞
"Warning! Extreme Danger! This sign has sharp edges. "
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4 hours ago, Mike Todd said:
Many once had chains connected to the towpath side just for that situation. Originally all boaters were 'professional'.
How many could swim? Suppose you can drown professionals with impunity.
23 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said:The one with the sign is a massive bottleneck at busy times. It's perfectly safe with two boats as long as at least one isn't over fifty foot. But you can no longer persuade anyone that this is the case, so we all waste tons of water filing through singly.
We are talking Littleborough to Summit flight here on the Rochdale. A queue? Nah!
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6 minutes ago, Midnight said:
It is possible they did similar on the lock above Punch Bowl Bridge on the Rochdale. Two lengths of 4x4 each side of the ladder. Disadvantage it reduced the width so two boats no longer advised. It won't happen on the iron lock unless there's a fatality.
A few of the locks nearby have narrowed anyway, signs say one boat only, so it might not have made any difference. The rest of the locks, they've used a Stihl saw to cut a channel in the stonework for the ladder.
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Why is all the operating gear on the offside for Swing bridges etc - because it leaves the towpath clear for the 'oss and it's line. You'd a thunk they would "of " considered elderly boaters of the future when they built the canals.
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5 minutes ago, Jerra said:
Out of interest how far apart along the system do you think Life Rings should be spaced.
2 lengths of orange string apart?
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9 minutes ago, LadyG said:
they do not advise canal users of dangers of any kind. There are two boys died near here, one was seven, according to a painted note.
What is the level of risk though, how many kids play by the canal, how many die?
I used to play by the canal when I was a lad, fishing for sticklebacks, later with a rod. I've just been moored in Castleford cut, Bulholme lock has a regular horde of youths, 12 yrs ish upwards, swimming by the lock, deep water on that stretch. Same at Lemonroyd, jumping off the lock tail and off the bridge above the adjacent wier.
Would they give No Swimming signs any credence, no doubt their parents don't know, mine didn't, we had been told not to play near canal.
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20 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
In all seriousness, you may have
locked(well it is a canal forum) licked your lips inadvertently.Watch out for any signs of Flu or headaches, if you get any get off to the Doctor immediately and ask him / her to test for Wiels disease.
Ask @tree monkey all about it. he had it recently, and, it can be serious.
The cure we "proposed" in our youth as a cure for chapped lips would be efficacious. A tad of dog poo smeared on lips, stops you licking them.
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26 minutes ago, doratheexplorer said:
The one's at Atherstone were probably there, but in their usual positions of sipping tea in their hut while not actually doing anything.
I was wondering that. If it's that tricky, how do people deal with the lock when coming up off the river if there's no mooring?
Last time there was a plastic wood landing stage on the right before the lock, going up, partly burnt out but usable. Has that been taken away?
Posts crossed in the ether while I had my dinner!
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1 hour ago, Stroudwater1 said:
We’ve been boating on and off for just over six weeks recently and have met only one vlockie. That includes Atherstone Hatton Audlem and Lapworth all vlockies absent. At Stockton one passed by and said hello 🤣. Are we doing something wrong🤣
Last year two really great vlockies helped on The Huddersfield in pouring rain as we had to get back in a rush, they were fantastic. Also hats off to the vlockies at Brighouse lower lock who locked us onto the river section which would have been a tricky one to get someone back on after closing to bottom gates.
Must just be lucky?
Brighouse? There is a landing stage just by the lock tail, has it been removed? I've had no problem single handed.
The volockies were there last time I went through, no problems.
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17 hours ago, doratheexplorer said:
Can we please stop commenting on Nick's snicket?
It's a lovely Lemony Snicket.
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2 minutes ago, MartynG said:
In general the volunteer lock keepers on the Trent have been good the last couple of years.
Occasionally there will be one that doesn't turn up.
I expect if folks prefer to operate the locks themselves then they only have to ask.
The tidal locks can't be self operated of course.
I have more debates than a few with the employed tidal lock keepers at Cromwell who refuse requests to operate outside of 8am to 4pm . So any tides outside those hours such as right now the dubious advice is get here as early as possible.The lock keepers will most likley sit there all day and not see a boat move.
What about the PRN?
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Turn right at Castleford and come up the hill then? Do Huddersfield and then over to Littleborough? Or Todmorden at least. No water at the moment though, I'll struggle myself over the next few weeks to get back up the hill, mooring one pound down from Rochdale Summit pound. Have just been lurking down there waiting to get in Castleford Dry dock, now surveyed, all fine, and then epoxied and new anodes. Boat now at Fall Ing, we flit back and forth on the train. Might be moving Saturday and Sunday up to Mirfield.