The Great Haywood Nut

[Midnight Rider]

Norty, norty Tony --- you mean a gentleman who who may have mental problems or other ishoos.

 

Anyway, I've moored at Great Haywood a few times this year & a small cruiser is always moored on the visitors moorings, either above or just below the lock. I don't think it's likely to go much further because it hasn't got an engine --- or name, number or licence.

 

The resident, a rather large, bald man is prone to greet fellow boaters with jolly sayings like 'What you looking at?' or 'I live here'.

 

I have a feeling that it might be the same man who used to be in residence at Tixall a couple of years ago until his boat at the time finished up on the bottom.

 

If you see him, do give him my regards.

[carlt]

Sounds like a very dangerous individual and you are absolutely right to bring this to our attention.

 

Perhaps we should start a "Grumpy Bloke" section with the exact locations and descriptions of these threats to the very fabric of our civilisation.

 

We could include photos of them waving their fists at us, as we invade their privacy even further.

 

An "Old woman pushing a supermarket trolley full of rubbish" sub-forum could be introduced, if our collective horror at geezers on scruffy boats, isn't enough.

Edited July 2, 2011 by carlt

[Midnight Rider]

Sounds like a very dangerous individual and you are absolutely right to bring this to our attention.

 

Perhaps we should start a "Grumpy Bloke" section with the exact locations and descriptions of these threats to the very fabric of our civilisation.

 

We could include photos of them waving their fists at us, as we invade their privacy even further.

 

An "Old woman pushing a supermarket trolley full of rubbish" sub-forum could be introduced, if our collective horror at geezers on scruffy boats, isn't enough.

Who said anything about invading privacy?

 

I simply asked for my good wishes to be passed to him.

[benfordboy]

Excellent

 

No Engine - An obvious Continuous Moorer !!

 

I dont need my coat - Its lovely outside

[carlt]

Who said anything about invading privacy?

 

I simply asked for my good wishes to be passed to him.

Yeah, of course

[Robin2]

Excellent

 

No Engine - An obvious Continuous Moorer !!

 

I dont need my coat - Its lovely outside

 

I'm sure he bowhauls and uses the towpath for its proper purpose.

[benfordboy]

I'm sure he bowhauls and uses the towpath for its proper purpose.

 

 

Ahh - that would be cycle riding / Dog walking & other towpath based adventures that are not boat related - Hopefully his mooring pins have flashing light on the to warn non boaters of the dangers !

[CV32]

Yeah, of course

 

I fail to see why the majority of us should put up with folks who choose not to have a license or just ignore the rules of staying on moorings - Carlt, you seem to think its ok for people to evade their responsibilities ? why is that ?

[carlt]

Carlt, you seem to think its ok for people to evade their responsibilities ? why is that ?

You seem to think it's okay to make assumptions about what I think.

 

Why is that?

 

I have made no comment whatsoever about anybody's responsibilities. I know as much about the bloke, as I know about you, or the OP.

 

I make no assumptions about whether he, you or the OP are evading your responsibilities... It's none of my business.

 

I'm too busy enjoying my own life, to go interfering in anybody else's.

 

Happy boating

[CV32]

You seem to think it's okay to make assumptions about what I think.

 

Why is that?

 

I have made no comment whatsoever about anybody's responsibilities. I know as much about the bloke, as I know about you, or the OP.

 

I make no assumptions about whether he, you or the OP are evading your responsibilities... It's none of my business.

 

I'm too busy enjoying my own life, to go interfering in anybody else's.

 

Happy boating

 

Collectively, evasion of license or mooring overstay for example are all of our business. We (the majority), pay our license fees and adhere to the mooring rules in regards of period of time to stay etc.

 

You seem to always attack anyone who makes comment about folks on the cut who choose to do whatever they want, whenever they want.

 

All the best to you.

[carlt]

Collectively, evasion of license or mooring overstay for example are all of our business. We (the majority), pay our license fees and adhere to the mooring rules in regards of period of time to stay etc.

In your opinion.

 

Personally I have difficulty getting too worked up about anyone who so obviously has less than me.

 

Evasion of taxes is the concern of those tasked with enforcing it. I just can't be bothered with getting all heated up about it.

 

 

You seem to always attack anyone who makes comment about folks on the cut who choose to do whatever they want, whenever they want.

 

I have attacked no'one, merely made a comment about a subject that someone has raised on a discussion forum. This is what discussion forums are for, is it not?

 

I certainly made no comment about whether or not someone has paid their boat tax or not.

 

I think you're seeing demons where there are none...have you tried Chamomile tea?

[CV32]

In your opinion.

 

Personally I have difficulty getting too worked up about anyone who so obviously has less than me.

 

Evasion of taxes is the concern of those tasked with enforcing it. I just can't be bothered with getting all heated up about it.

 

 

 

I have attacked no'one, merely made a comment about a subject that someone has raised on a discussion forum. This is what discussion forums are for, is it not?

 

I certainly made no comment about whether or not someone has paid their boat tax or not.

 

I think you're seeing demons where there are none...have you tried Chamomile tea?

 

Sorry for the slow response, just back from buying that tea !

[carlt]

Sorry for the slow response, just back from buying that tea !

Excellent. It should calm you down and you can read back and see that I made no mention of his licence status (I don't know it so why bother mentioning it).

 

I do think the OP has put bald men in a particularly bad light, though.

[CV32]

Excellent. It should calm you down and you can read back and see that I made no mention of his licence status (I don't know it so why bother mentioning it).

 

I do think the OP has put bald men in a particularly bad light, though.

 

I am follically challenged at 45 myself so perhaps i should take that as the main issue

[carlt]

I am follically challenged at 45 myself so perhaps i should take that as the main issue

As I am 45 and have a full head of hair, once again, I find myself standing up for the less fortunate.

[benfordboy]

I have a full head of hair , a slightly large stomach (although others would say other!) A GRP Cruiser (God forbid) like a drink & also I am a fisherman !

 

However I do pay my licence fee & object to folks cruising around without one when they could at least buy a short term licence (Last wk on the soar I saw at least 10 boats out not displaying even a receipt)

 

But - And this will be a bone of contention to some , if I was down on my luck & had to god forbid , live on my cruiser (Not much of a life) without an engine or heating, is it really so bad not to pay a few quid for the privilege ? Yes its not right , we all pay good money to cruise but in some cases (We dont know this guys circumstances) it is just an existence - I would rather this guy live on his cruiser than in a shop doorway or even rent paid in a house with all our taxes (Maybe I should get my coat!)

 

Having had a good friend who lived on his cruiser in a private mariner during the winter - it can be a bad existence , We eventually offered him our sofa after he risked hyperthermia , happily he now has his own house & a boat on the drive - all it took was a little charity thru the bad times.

 

Never mind his actual mental condition this chap is probably scraping an existence , I do wonder what world we are living in that would take his home away & leave him homeless.

 

I know this will raise issues on the forum - This is my opinion only - Right or wrong lets see a little charity , he's not really bothering anyone , would you rather he asked you for spare change in the town centre ?

 

Sorry for spouting off

[cotswoldsman]

Collectively, evasion of license or mooring overstay for example are all of our business. We (the majority), pay our license fees and adhere to the mooring rules in regards of period of time to stay etc.

 

You seem to always attack anyone who makes comment about folks on the cut who choose to do whatever they want, whenever they want.

 

All the best to you.

 

Not quite sure why it is all our business if someone does not pay for a licence if we do not know the circumstances. Anyone can fall on hard times.

[Guest wanted]

There have been a few assumptions about the state of people’s mental health by forum members of late. I am encouraged that an assessment can be made so quickly and without the usual rigmarole these days. (Must be the cuts)

If any of the forums 'specialists' would like to come and spend some time with me at work, I imagine the diagnosis process would be so much quicker!

 

In the mean time, I intend to allow the real specialists to make their assessments and keep my assumptions to myself, although I would suggest that the armchair specialists take a look at this, MIND

 

The one recurring thing that I have learnt over the many years that I have worked with homeless /vulnerable people is that there is a very fine line between where you are now and where you could end up. It generally takes the loss of one thing to induce a huge shift in your life plan.

 

Whilst I don't believe in God, there is a saying that goes something like 'There but for the grace of god go I' I welcome that sentiment.

 

 

Oh, and watch out for a slightly overweight bearded bloke in Brentford, he has a penchant for ranting about anything, his feet stick out and laughs he at the moon!

Edited July 3, 2011 by wanted

[cotswoldsman]

have a greenie from me wanted!!!!!

[Arthur]

I was down at Tixall a year or so back when he was there just before his boat went down. He was arrested for asaulting a couple of boaters who tried to moor up next to him on the Wide. Very unpleasant bloke indeed - personally I don;t care if he was mentally ill or just an idiot, but I don't see why he should clog up the limited moorings that are available when he maks no contribution apart from disruption.

[Midnight Rider]

There have been a few assumptions about the state of people’s mental health by forum members of late. I am encouraged that an assessment can be made so quickly and without the usual rigmarole these days. (Must be the cuts)

If any of the forums 'specialists' would like to come and spend some time with me at work, I imagine the diagnosis process would be so much quicker!

 

Ok, a (small) part of my job used to involve an assesment of someone's mental health & whether they needed to be detained & the procedure put in place for a possible Sectioning under the Mental Health Act.

 

I make no claim to be an expert & I don't give a toss about his mooring or licence buying habits.

 

All that I was trying to get across -- perhaps not very well, it seems --- is that I have seen someone who (in my opinion) needs a bit of caution on meeting.

 

If my opinion is not valid, please feel free to ignore it.

[Guest wanted]

I was down at Tixall a year or so back when he was there just before his boat went down. He was arrested for asaulting a couple of boaters who tried to moor up next to him on the Wide. Very unpleasant bloke indeed - personally I don;t care if he was mentally ill or just an idiot, but I don't see why he should clog up the limited moorings that are available when he maks no contribution apart from disruption.

 

 

There are times when people with mental ill health are also idiots and times when idiots don't have mental ill health. Comparisons are pointless.

Now the point should be that without a diagnosis this geezer is unpleasant and unnecessary, with a diagnosis his actions are unpleasant but have an explanation.

Are we able to make a diagnosis on a forum? Do we even want too? In my opinion, no.

If people are concerned then I suggest a call to the local CMHT or if there is real concern the police (usually the easiest way to get an assessment) If there is no real concern then live and let live, life is full of characters and richer for it.

The other more interesting argument seems to be ‘why should he get away with it when I don’t’

Fair enough if that is how people wish to worry themselves, I for one have better things to concern myself with!

 

 

ETA: except to make comment on a forum!

 

Ok, a (small) part of my job used to involve an assesment of someone's mental health & whether they needed to be detained & the procedure put in place for a possible Sectioning under the Mental Health Act.

 

I make no claim to be an expert & I don't give a toss about his mooring or licence buying habits.

 

All that I was trying to get across -- perhaps not very well, it seems --- is that I have seen someone who (in my opinion) needs a bit of caution on meeting.

 

If my opinion is not valid, please feel free to ignore it.

 

No need to ignor you, but I retain the right to comment until told otherwise by the powers that be. Also, your opinion is as valid as mine, I will always defend the rights of people who suffer from mental ill health and or duel diagnosis, they are on the bottom of the heap when it comes to accessing services and need all of the support they can get.Your opening comment was enough to raise my eyebrow!

 

but hey, it is a discussion forum!

Edited July 3, 2011 by wanted

[Minos]

Collectively, evasion of license or mooring overstay for example are all of our business. We (the majority), pay our license fees and adhere to the mooring rules in regards of period of time to stay etc.

 

You seem to always attack anyone who makes comment about folks on the cut who choose to do whatever they want, whenever they want.

 

All the best to you.

 

In your opinion.

 

Personally I have difficulty getting too worked up about anyone who so obviously has less than me.

 

Evasion of taxes is the concern of those tasked with enforcing it. I just can't be bothered with getting all heated up about it.

 

And there's the issue, Carl.

 

Anyone who takes the trouble to consult BW about this will get the answer I received when I visited them: BW do not have the enforcement personnel required to police the entire system and so they rely upon the combination of boaters firstly being socially responsible themselves and paying their bills, and secondly reporting unlicensed boats or people overstaying so BW can take the appropriate action.

 

You have a problem with that, as I discovered to my cost last time I got involved with a discussion about it. You don't like it when others accept the responsibility BW asks of all boaters - and that is your prerogative. Hell, I'll even allow that you have every right to get sniffy about it.

 

But that's the way it is. Evasion of boat licensing and overstaying on moorings is something the authorities ask ALL boaters to be concerned with. You don't have to like it. Just accept it.

[Midnight Rider]

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Your opening comment was enough to raise my eyebrow!

 

Yes, the OP was meant to be a bit of a warning but in a light hearted way & not an assessment of the guy's mental health --- but hey ho, you can never tell how it comes over.

[Robin2]

I have a full head of hair , a slightly large stomach (although others would say other!) A GRP Cruiser (God forbid) like a drink & also I am a fisherman !

 

However I do pay my licence fee & object to folks cruising around without one when they could at least buy a short term licence (Last wk on the soar I saw at least 10 boats out not displaying even a receipt)

 

But - And this will be a bone of contention to some , if I was down on my luck & had to god forbid , live on my cruiser (Not much of a life) without an engine or heating, is it really so bad not to pay a few quid for the privilege ? Yes its not right , we all pay good money to cruise but in some cases (We dont know this guys circumstances) it is just an existence - I would rather this guy live on his cruiser than in a shop doorway or even rent paid in a house with all our taxes (Maybe I should get my coat!)

 

Having had a good friend who lived on his cruiser in a private mariner during the winter - it can be a bad existence , We eventually offered him our sofa after he risked hyperthermia , happily he now has his own house & a boat on the drive - all it took was a little charity thru the bad times.

 

Never mind his actual mental condition this chap is probably scraping an existence , I do wonder what world we are living in that would take his home away & leave him homeless.

 

I know this will raise issues on the forum - This is my opinion only - Right or wrong lets see a little charity , he's not really bothering anyone , would you rather he asked you for spare change in the town centre ?

 

Sorry for spouting off

 

Hear Hear