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1 minute ago, BEngo said:
Note that is described as moisture resistant, not moisture proof. Do not let if get very wet for any length of time or if will turn back into Weetabix.
All MDF is filthy stuff to work- you will want the proper PPE.
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I've worked with moisture resistant MDF before - won't work without PPE, the dust is toxic as hell.?
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Just now, mrsmelly said:
You need to realise a boat brokerage is like an estate agent, they work for the vendor not the purchaser. It's down to the buyer to check the boat out.
Yes, absolutely - I understand that.
And in general, it's hard to think of an industry that works for the purchaser and not the vendor.
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18 minutes ago, robtheplod said:
Surely the thing that matters is the boat and not the broker... would people not use a broker even if they had the boat they wanted?
Knowing it's not a car dealership and broker doesn't owe you anything it still does bring a peace of mind that your first boat is not going to be complete miss (or so we, newboaters, hope)
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26 minutes ago, mrsmelly said:
In this day and age all u need is Google. I have just looked myself as if I where a newbie and there are mountains of reviews on line for most brokers.
You'd be surprised but this form is #1 result for almost all of my search queries lol
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I personally strongly disagree with "no names mentioned though". We are the crossroads now - choosing between a ~10yo boat vs ordering a sailaway, and I for once would really like to hear names, as probably every other boat hunter here. If a brokerage is a good one - they deserve to be known for that, if they are complete s__te - same again, they deserve to be known for that.
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Can confirm now! MDF panel - available everywhere (Travis, Wicks, etc). 20 quid per m2 - cheap, but looks nice - I understand now why so many new builds are using it.
Thank you very much guys for your help!
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32 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Not in the real world then ?
That's how I see it through my rose-coloured glasses.
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16 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:
That market niche is saturated already.
Surely it's a good thing, no? More public promotion => more people buying boats => more canal users => more work done by CRT => recovery of the system
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1 minute ago, Athy said:
It looks like the material used in modern kitchen units, which I think is MDF. Someone here will be sure to know for certain though.
Thank you! I feel so stupid now, it must be MDF primed beaded panel ?♂️
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13 hours ago, WotEver said:
Or a Vlog...
Wait, I thought you need to have a boat first?!
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Hi guys!
I'm trying to identify a material that I see now more and more often on the new builds - it looks like tongue and groove cladding boards, but actually it's just a visual effect and it's a panel, I'm not even sure it's a wood as from the cut it looks like some sort of compressed foam with the layer on top. I've attached a couple of photos. Any ideas?
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1 minute ago, enigmatic said:
I'd be very wary of a private seller asking for this. I remember the first time I considered canal boats and emailed a little old Scottish widow with a hazy knowledge of UK geography and a Nigerian email account suggested it
But yeah, holding deposits are actually a thing with Great Haywood, and possibly other brokers.
LOL, I didn't mean a private seller, but hey - well spotted!
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23 minutes ago, EdwardMeades said:
Unfortunately not me, I had my car keys ready when they called to tell me she was sold!
Plenty more fish in the sea, or is it ducks in the cut?
Most of the boats are now off the market before you find time to call, so apparently 'the norm' now is to put a deposit for a boat without seeing it!
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@Alan de Enfield I don't think this is something that can be compared by the ownership costs over 10 years exclusively. Is it expensive? Yes it is. Does it have benefits for some type of boaters - for sure.
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@MoominPapa Yes, I see what you are saying. It's a perfect explanation for a live afloat case, less that much for a holiday boat. I personally believe that fully electric or hybrid is the future, not quite sure if now is the right time or should we wait couple of years to change diesel for electricity. I'll talk to few boat builders mentioned above in this thread to understand their perspective, as I hope they can build a strong case for or against the idea.
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19 minutes ago, MrsM said:
Wasted a few hours last night looking at boats on the market. You are right @MajorJones there are very few used boats that tick all your boxes, and the market is certainly more limited than it was when we started our hunt pre-lockdown. Given your experience hiring, the lack of a healthy supply of used boats and your clear vision for your boat I would have thought you are in a great position to consider a sailaway. If I was in your position and had the time and resources I would probably be very tempted. There's nothing to stop you getting out on the water by hiring again while you are working on your own boat. A dilemma!
My god, what have you done! You've opened pandora box, again! I am so tempted by the idea, I believe I have skills and resources and tools to do so, but so many people are saying that it's a bad idea and 9 out of 10 sailaways are doomed to go on the market as an unfinished project. On the other hand - there is a massive benefit of working with sailaway - I will know every single details of how things are done on our boat.
I believe the current lack of boats will be a continuous trend - people with boats have realised they need to upgrade to have more space (hence the flux of shorter boats on the markets) as a lockdown in 35-40ft NB is no fun, people without boats have realised our current staycation is here for decades now and they need to have another type of vacation, people without boats have mortgages pulled and houses prices are as high as never before, so again - looking to buy, etc. So I guess it's just a bad time to buy now, and it will be a bad time to buy for quite a while.
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45 minutes ago, MoominPapa said:
In my travels I've come across a boat fitted with that. I was poking around the engine compartment because the very complicated 48v charging system was bust. The electric motor had been removed because it got in the way and was never used.
There's a full electric boat stuck in the marina just down the river from us. Their generator is U/S and until it's fixed they have no choice but to stay put and pay marina fees, since without shore power they can't move, can't heat water and can't cook.
Finally, please don't become one of those boaters who have to fill the boat behind them with noise and diesel fumes in order to cook dinner.
MP.
I assume same applies to any type of engine - you can stuck with a diesel as well, the only difference I guess is how easy to source parts and someone who knows how to fix it.
In theory a fully electric system should be much more reliable and be less prone to faults, may be we are not there yet - after all I haven't see Tesla supercharge stations on the canals.
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16 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:
Not slow, just not done it I'd guess.
With a truly watertight cratch cover you'd be fine, but most of them are not quite as watertight as they seem. Without one, taped shut bow doors and vent grilles really do help. Uphill.
Downhill, where most get upset, the pram hood needs folding down to get through the lock bridges. All of a sudden the companiable space on the cruiser stern is a boat sinking liability, so taping the deck boards and rear doors starts looking like a good idea!
Blimey, I guess you do learn something new every day! TBH, I've never been in the lock where water flow exceeds your cratch/pram capability. It seems I have to put a duct tape next to a tiller now!
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12 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:
62 X 14 feet nominal on the locks, most of which have leaking headgate seals or waterfalls through the cill. I have often offered 57 foot boats a roll of duct tape at the first lock, and they laugh it off because they won't be fooled by Northern humour.
By lock 2 I could sell the same roll to them for a couple of hundred quid, because it's less than the excess on their insurance ...
I'm afraid I'm too slow to understand that one. Can you explain please? You have 57ft (or up to 64 in that matter), you have cratch and pram and how duct tape is going to help?
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48 minutes ago, matty40s said:
63ft, possibly the most stupid length of a boat on the UK network, limited to everything a 70 footer can do, with 7feet less inside to enjoy it with.
Who are Findlay Properties, cupboards dont look to fit properly and kitchen looks very tight.
To sit on the toilet also looks a challenge.
Exterior looks Ok.(viewing on a mobile)
63ft is stupid, I agree. But the idea of 2 bedrooms + 2 guests is so tempting. I'm not sure I can fit that into 57ft?
As for 70ft - I hated it every time I had to cruise on it, size does matter and that one is just to big for my taste lol
Haven't even noticed the toilet position until you and @TheBiscuits have pointed out! I guess that's the reason why it makes sense to run it by you guys!
As for "Who are Findlay Properties" - It seems that when boat is fitted by an owner and not a well-known boat builder it's about 10% cheaper, not the case when this one was fitted by a London property management company (or so it seems). So apparently a big no?
22 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:Probably not the ideal boating introduction for a novice though.
Why is that? I had my fair share of 70ft and yes, I don't like it still don't see it as an issue. Or are you referring to passing the locks diagonally?
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Guys, you've told me to be open-minded and do not disregard NBs that are not my ideal setup. Also you have advised to post here NBs I consider so you can give your pros and cons. So what do you think about this one?
https://newandusedboat.co.uk/used-boats-for-sale/1452
My concerts:
- 63ft rather than 57ft - is it a big problem? (My main mooring is about to be at Oxford/Union)
- Cruiser - Don't like cruiser type that much, but I assume I can remove half of the railing and weld benches each side?
Thoughts?
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Just now, peterboat said:
You need to talk to Finness boats Richard who is Johnathan Wilson's Son in law is heavily involved in electric boats. Its really the future and will be far better than a hybrid honestly
II will, thank you! I've seen their boats - expensive, but quality is top-notch!
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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Apologies - I forgot the Webasto.
But it is still a 'diesel' user so going against the (alleged) green benefits of a Hybrid.
Worst of both worlds - Go Electric or Diesel why try and do both ?
I believe I have mentioned it above, but don't mind saying it again - in my head it's not about being 'green', but about nice things I can have with the electric propulsion explained in my previous post (I totally understand they may not make sense for anyone but me). Except the price.
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Just now, TheBiscuits said:
Have a look at the Wallas range of diesel stoves/hobs/ovens.
https://www.kuranda.co.uk/product-category/wallas/wallas-diesel-hobs-and-ovens/
My gosh, I didn't even know such thing exists!
p.s. Read the brochure and the manual of a hob - such an ingenious thing. Definitely bookmarked for the new build. (So easy to overspend when you want to have nice things)
Broker Experiences as a Newbie
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Boat sitting 'under offer' and waiting for a survey doesn't equal to your sales fees, just a deposit. More likely they were eager to shift 'stock' quicker rather than owning a boat and knowing about a problem.