ramblin

That is kind of bad news... if legal precedence can be used to undermine policy then things will almost certainly get harder for ccers in the future. It seems the balance is about right with the 25 mile thing as it stands. Though im sure if you were the old man engaged in a two pub-crawl then you'd be able to defend your position fairly well.

A funny thought: what if you ARE bona-fide navigating, up and down a small stretch of river in your dotage (perhaps because you really like the reach and the pub at each end of it)... you'd be stuffed and get your boat crushed

Sorry i understand the law referring to navigation, "places", etc as somewhat subjective and got the impression from web reading that the license conds and CRT guidelines have perhaps changed over time or could change in the future. It would be great if this is incorrect as my concern is that the goal posts could shift. This seems a sensitive topic, and the van analogy may be pertinent because there is no law preventing someone from living in a motor vehicle or forcing them to move a certain distance if they do, however people that live this way keep moving and don't tend to stay anywhere potentially controversial for long because they know it will cause friction with other road/public space users. It's like they are sensible enough to know if they want peaceful life then it is necessary and there is no need for the law! Though if the roads started getting clogged up with smelly van dwellers then the law would probably respond, as was the case with the CJB in the 90's, though thankfully that law didn't revoke the right to sleep/live in a vehicle if you want to. Just check out south leeds!

Hi Jon, Many thanks for help, this system is certainly simpler and would meet all requirements. I had considered such an approach but went for the calorifier because i've never heard of nor could find a thermal store system sized for a boat (they tend to be hundreds rather than tens of L capacity), though a TS is sized for heat storage capacity rather than amount of hot water available, and perhaps a long thin vessel in cupboard may provide an adequate temp gradient without being too large. The other problem that i thought may be present in this system could be galvanic corrosion due to so many connected systems, though this may also be the case for my 2nd plan too, and presumably the whole thing would need to be filled with antifreeze. All in all it seemed a strange system for a boat but would be great if its is workable. I've checked the webasto thermo top C documentation and although it doesn't detail the pumps maximum pressure it lists the rated flow 450l/hr at 0.13bar so if this is its maximum working head then 60cm or so should be adequate header elevation elevation for the header tank. Though im not sure! In regard to gravity dump radiator maybe one could be installed close to the stove with thermostat similar to springy's skin tank system?

The current situation/requirements are clear and if do go cc route will keep logs etc and cruise in the spirit of the law. Is there any info on the future of legislation / guidelines? I've read that a review was authorised in 2013 (wiki continuous cruiser) but has not been utilised.

Cheers david!

Believe me my specs aren't rose tinted!!! I I fully appreciate the warts as well as the romance associated with less conventional lifestyles, though it's probably safe to say such lifestyles are incompatible with most people's way of living and commitments. Maybe a case of too many expecting their cake after eating it! It's been really useful to hear your feedback because I had developed a an apparently skewed perspective of the cc situation. Which is probably much like the van dwelling types in places such a Cornwall... Those that chose to live in such a way and don't mind the inconvenience of it get on very well with the local council police etc, and are respectful so they are let be. On the other hand if you decide to park 7tonne of scrap metal outside a million pound home, and live in it full time then the council vosa police etc will make life very difficult!

Sure, I can imagine things would get pretty crazy on the cut with no regs and have no intent to take the pass but my fear is that the licence conditions are not clearly defined or enshrined in law. Presumably crt policy will to some extent adapt to the demand on the network, which must cast a shadow of doubt over the boating community. Someone suggested to estimate time and cost then double it or something for fitouts so yup I think a month is optimistic! Will call a few builders and see what their storage arrangements are like. Understood about the costs. In my case I'm going to relocate to yorks as housing is insane where I am. The options appear to be buying a small terrace in rough area or doing the nb thing. The latter sounds far more appealing and I think im compatible with a nomadic lifestyle so 90% sold

Awesome dave, it's nice to hear something encouraging! I know there's loads of canals and great countryside up north and was hoping it wouldn't be as hard to settle or cruise as the south.

I got that from news articles... "Boating family unable to educate children due to crt harassment" type of thing!

Hi david, I don't intend to but it does sound like the guidance is hazey to say the least and liable to change. I envisage either getting a mooring or ccing around sw yorks doing much more than 25 in a year. My thinking was more along the lines of are you more likely to get loads of hassle in busy areas and it does seem from the outside that crt are essentially trying to do away with live aboards, or at least to make it as unattractive as possible.

Hi all I'm looking for a builder in Yorkshire, any recommendations? Tyler wilson look good though seem to be towards the high end of market and a bit too expensive for my budget. Would also need storage for at least a month or two to paint and line etc... Can this usually be arranged?

Title says it all! Just wondering what the mooring / ccing situation is around West/south yorks. I may be interested in getting hull made in the area and fitting for basic home for a year or two but from what I've read the live aboard situation seems really precarious at the moment and complying with crt policy/finding mooring seems the main problem. Do crt consistently apply cc policy across network or are some areas, namely yorks, more live-aboard friendly than say London Oxford etc? Any tips for possible reasonable moorings/marinas or general insights into life afloat in the area would be greatly appreciated! Could procuring a new hull help to get somewhere to store boat as I'd need at least a month to paint, line etc? C

Mind you I don't see how a sugarcube is going to help)

Or you could connect the wires at one end and measure at other... Excuse me while I go get my coat!