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One of Mr Crawfords defences was there was no wet signature or seal however yes and I will agree not all the defence was that way, He did try to use statute law to undermine the bank's position. I think his McKenzie friend ought to be strung up for offering such shocking "advice". Have you read the transcript? I would agree that sticking to the act is one way forward if you are trying to help change their ways. BUT only IF, you are sticking to the act in full and your willing to go all the way. BTW Im not here to argue, just putting my vastly experienced view on it and offering a difference of opinion to keep a debate on track Mr Ward won the parking ticket tribunal because the council did not offer any evidence, whether they had any or not, does not matter. Hence why the decision was, “The adjudicator has therefore directed that the appeal is allowed without consideration of any evidence or the merits of the case” the adjudicator may not of read anything Ward wrote You say he has won 20 more like that, If the council keep offering no evidence based on that defence, it would be interesting to know the reasons. He cant claim to have kept anything out of court because that tribunal is the last stage of appeal, the only way to appeal again is a judicial review at the high court which as far as I am aware, very expensive. Good Luck Adi

Mr duck, Tread very carefully, Please don't end up like Tom Crawford who when his mortgage company tried to evict him, he turned to the freeman of the land, as I Understand he could of won in court with a convincing legal argument, which he had, but instead he sprouted FOTL rubbish and lost his home. Seems similar to you, You say you have the correct evidence yet don't want to use it. I Read that parking ticket tribunal, it means nothing. they offered no evidence that the offence happened so they lost. its not even able to be used as a defence in another case. Trust Me I do Parking. Please don't lose your boat because you feel dad is harder that CrT's. P.s Out of interest Why do you not want to give your documents (copies) to the CrT and end this now?

That is horrific, it brought a small tear to my eye, I know people who are driven to suicide believe its their only action left, but that does sum up how selfish it is. Its one thing to leave your family at home and do it, but to have a baby in a pram and leave them on the platform, there are no words to describe that. I can fully understand the driver being totally traumatised. Adi

To me as a layman that would suggest they just work out how much volume to dredge and remove it over an area, then the remaining will find its own level, as long as its silt and not lumpy solid stuff. As they only take a reading every 50m, they have no idea of the depth in-between and just take a mean figure. That's my understanding from that statement. adrian

I agree about cadburys world. we will save it for another day. It is going to be a variation of the above, I think its a sensible distance with a massive variation in scenery and things to do. Don't worry old goat by the time we go ill have the entire trip from canalplan and will know most of the key bits from google earth. I have just chatted to her indoors and the in-laws, her dad wanted to come as soon as I mentioned we may do it this year and her mum is looking forward to it and is googling the BCM already. they even agreed to crew and cook in return for the holiday, bonus. Got to have it back by nine so will need to be close. Deposit paid, wont be able to hold the excitement back now. Thank you all for your help. you have gently guided me to the right decision. Now off to buy the maps/guide and read them over and over again, which ones would you recommend. Adrian

I cant thank you all enough. I'm going to spend a couple of days playing on canal planner see what is feasible without squeezing in to much, I suspect we would be happy just going up to the BCM and returning. It does look good there and my family are from Brum so It would appeal to me. I will let you know of updated plan. Greatly appreciated Adi

thank you, that puts some perspective on it. that would be sensible to go up, do stuff and just return. maybe using the other canal out of brum I did not think of going to stratford luckily for me, I love locks, always remember doing tardebigge, I think, and my mum saying we could have a full English, when we made the top. flew up lol. But maybe your right alvechurch may give a better option and then include a day into Brum I felt kate boats had great value for money and not heard a bad word about them. not really too far from us either, I have always wanted to do Birmingham but will heed to the sensible advice any maybe give it a miss. This time .However I need the missus to tell me what she wants, drifting slowly or active and do stuff as usual she is trusting me to do the right thing. Stratford Or heading south may be the option, its all flying through my head now. my kids will love it wherever we go, was just thinking about a few activities just to break it up a bit, but is not the end of the world as a walk to a park will please them. This is why I posted before booking In case a sensible alternative popped up. I really appreciate your time so far and will think over the new different options Adi

Wow, thank you for the ideas, plenty to think about, I have thought about the black country museum, especially if her parents do come. I have heard entering the city centre out of the farmers locks is nice. The only problem with Stockton is they don't do Saturday start days. I was under the impression doing the warrickshire ring would be 9 hour days and with dusk at around half five. Going down towards oxford would be a different take and I presume a pretty one. So what bits are the nice bits of Brum? I do have time on my side to think it out `

Good morning everyone, I have been viewing this great forum for a while now and am now ready to seek further advice. I have noticed the very friendly nature of the forum and have laughed at the great banter. As a child I have many happy memories of going around the Avon Ring, The K&A and some other canals that I was too young to fully remember. A few years ago I rekindled that love and happy memories With A Weekend on the Themes around Oxford. I am now going through the process of giving up the filthy sticks and my mind wondered about what to do with the extra money. I have decided to take my family, (The missus and two kids of 9 and 4) on a weeks Narrowboat Holiday during October Half term, Kind of hoping for an indian summer. After Extensive googling I have narrowed down that we will Hopefully Hire From Kate Boats and head up to Birmingham. In reality I would love to do the warrickshire ring, long days and locks do not worry me but I have concluded that with the short days and the need to let the kids run riot at some points would make this a no no. So after playing around with Canal planner I have the following rough plan. Up the GU and the Stratford Canal towards KIngs Norton and onto the Gas street area. We would like to stop at Cadburys world and the Sealife Centre. To make it a good week I have thoughts of going up the BCN on to the Teme valley and working our way back round and down the GU kind of making a ring. I would love to hear all your thoughts, suggestions and ideas on making this a special trip for my amazing family, with your great knowledge of where to go, things for the kids and stopping places, especially the odd pub or two. most of my family holidays have been camping and I need to make this as amazing as possible. They are all newbies but me and the boy have walked along a few canals helping boats through locks. When I say amazing, the fact they will be staying on a boat and crewing and seeing the world go by would make it special enough, just want it to go seemlessly, We may end up with the in laws coming along and helping too. I have invited them, its a good thing. as they do so much for us. We will be purchasing a guide as soon as we have paid which will be this week. Many Thanks, Adi.