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On 13/07/2020 at 21:58, starman said:
Well of course we can do whatever we want; it's not a historic boat - it didn't even have a back cabin until we fitted one. But is there any precedent for working boat cabins that aren't red, green and scumbled? The only one I can recall is the simple cream planked and brown cabin in Caggy.
No possibly not but it is a classic which merited saving - hope the project is going well - is it still on dry land??
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11 hours ago, Captain Pegg said:
I saw this a few days ago. It’s a superb boat. But I doubt I’d be tempted to buy it even if a zero was knocked off the end of the price and I hadn’t already got one.
JP
I agree - the price was a shock but you must remember its selling a lifestyle!
Not original enough inside to attract an enthusiast and a lot of maintenance to concern a floater so it will be interesting to watch it
I remember them when they were built and always loved them and I would buy a good (this style but GRP hull) one now if I saw it - was it Nike III that was the famous one (owned by John Gagg) I cant quite remember
On 04/07/2020 at 15:23, roland elsdon said:Keep up at the back. Much musical boats during lockdown...
So why did they buy Dory and not Ibex I wonder - IMHO Manchuria was a loverly boat
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If it helps, as I was boating at the time, I'm pretty sure it would have been a proprietary "diamond" pattern material that came in sheets but can't remember the name of it - it was pretty universally used on wooden boats at the time notably on the broads - if the intelligence cant be found here perhaps you could contact a traditional broads boatbuilder
I know your boat and respected your bravery when you took her on so keep up the good work!
J
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A few years back I saw a Barry Hawkins done in grey white and red and it looked very good - even as a lover of trad schemes it is true to say a trad back cabin can be very dull/gloomy on a dark July day like yesterday - I wouldn't do it but as others have said it is your boat!
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33 minutes ago, Jerra said:
Surely in an organisation the size of CRT they should either have somebody not working at home or a temporary transfer system so that somebody can be reached.
That doesn't follow - try dealing with Currys PC World at the moment - av 1hr wait for service via auto response phone number and if you want customer services to actually do anything just forget it - they tell you to write a letter as the email system is "temporarily" suspended which they never reply to.......... their price match or price g'tee can only be done via customer services so effectively it doesn't exist for the duration - off topic rant over!
Some organisations are rising to the challenge and others are hiding behind it.........and taking our money
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sent you a PM............
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Buy good used - the worst boat I ever owned was a new build - you spend a season finding problems and sorting them before you can relax.
So 1-2 years waiting for a slot, 1 season building, and then 1 season sorting - who has 4 years of their life to waste AND whilst boats are generally pretty good at holding their value the first year is a bad year for depreciation.
Lots of boats around that are nearly new and well priced £60-80K unless you are looking for a top named builder.....
What about the Brinklow Sailaway at Norton Canes - the shell and engine alone are worth £70k.
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1 minute ago, Barnaby Wilde said:
Thank you, nail hit firmly on head.
On a recent visit to one particular marina/brokerage I formed the impression that several of the boats were so ridiculously overpriced that maybe they weren't actually for sale & just taking advantage of the free mooring . . . .
You previously mentioned Rugby (amongst a few others), I do seem to be drawn to them, I like the video, I like the info & I especially like the fact that boats there seem to sell very quickly. Do you know if they actually turn boats away? Do they make the decision not to get invloved with the 'wrong 'uns' ???
I'm well aware of what I'm getting into so to speak. I know that I'm looking for a NB & I know that PRICE - PRODUCT - PEOPLE is far more important than being drawn to a paint job or a solid wood floor.
I remember the first time I heard "a boat is a hole in the water into which you throw all your money" ?
Bring Out Another Thousand..........
I rate Rugby very highly and their integrity/process - as to your other comments I couldn't possibly comment - BUT remember they are working for the owner and are very good at achieving quick sales so get on their email list and be prepared to travel the day after you get a notification
I'd like to say this will be a fun process - the end product will hopefully be worth it but the process particularly at the moment will be fraught!
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52 minutes ago, Barnaby Wilde said:
What I'm struggling most with is how the boats are actually valued when put up for sale? Non of it makes sense to me & it is difficult to work out exactly why someone thinks . . . say a £500 recent paint job would add £5k+ to a boats resale value???
Proper paint jobs start around £5k and range to £15K - they are called "maintenance" and add limited value unless just done and you know by whom and can see pictures of before and after - they are however one of the main reasons a boat is put up for sale and a good bargaining point for you - don't rule out doing it yourself
On price/valuation quite simply you don't know enough to make sense of it but generally brokers are pretty accurate - they don't want boats on their books for ages - that is where a private boat will sometimes catch you out they may be pushing too hard and not finding a broker to agree to sell at their figure so they try it themselves
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Wow where to start.................
Deciding on your budget is pretty critical and whether the reasons for high price are an issue for you like who built it what vintage engine is inside and what level of electrical provision you want being a particular one - IMHO you don't need to go over over £60k and for under £40k you will be buying work or compromises
I wouldn't buy privately but that'd just me and it depends on budget as cheaper boats say below £30k tend to transact without brokers (all of these are generalisations but based on 50 years experience and ownership of app 15 very different boats over that time).
I'm not so keen on the reputable broker philosophy as there are good and bad but I would rather buy the right boat than worry too much about which broker - BUT you do need to understand who you are dealing with so you react accordingly.
You will get many opinions on here as to who are good and bad based on hearsay and direct experience so work out which is which.
Based on actual experience I would be careful buying from Whilton/Venetian and GHBS and would have no issues buying from Rugby Braunston Longport Limekiln and ABNB - many others are available..........
If you are a real newbie HIRE first and look at as many boats as you can in your local area and definitely visit the Braunston Triangle.
That will get this topic going so lets see what others have to say .............
Just noticed you have a connection to Langley Mill so visit Paul Barbers Yard and go and see Ian Parrott at New and Used both are boaters and both will give you good advice
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Hartford used to be a great Marina - in the 70's my parents bought a Carrington ex hire from Erith and they restored it and kept it there
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33 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
It looks like a 280 (certainly not contra rotating props)
Don't know if you have one, but here is the manual.
http://www.marinesurveyorontario.com/volvo penta workshop manual.pdf
Keep an eye on the prop-anode (the circular one between the prop and the leg) they are very thin and can 'wear-out' quite quickly. They are the only thing stopping your leg disintegrating into dust.
Edit to add - on the underside of the anti-cavitation plate (the flat bits either side of the leg above the prop) you should find an adjustable 'trim-tab' which can be adjusted (turned from side to side) and will help trim the out-drive so it doesn't wander about - its sort of like a mini-rudder.
You shouldn't need the rudder extension kit if you have a trim-tab installed. I cannot see one on your photo so maybe it has eroded away ?
Many thanks for all that - I've looked at other pics and there is no trim tab - the anodes are relatively new - rudder kit ordered as I might as well as she is coming out and marina manoeuvring is very tight around some very posh boats.
Thanks for the manual link
J
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3 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Indeed, - but the older 280 & 290 legs are not available with duo-props.
Maybe if @Halsey tells us which leg he has we can offer more applicable advice.
Just ordered a rudder/hydrofin kit as boat coming out next week so no time to wait and deliberate hopefully £200 well spent
This my leg - 1988 vintage - don't know what model it is
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7 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:
If those techniques don't work for you, get a rudder that clamps to the stern drive - that will help a lot at low revs cruising.
I suspect its all about 5 tons with 150HP v 20 tons with 18hp!
Once my morse cable is chawed and the controls work smoothly and can be relied upon I suspect I will do better BUT I didn't know about bolt on rudders so that might be a good thing as there is a lot of slow speed manoeuvring in the marina to get to our berth.
Is this a normal thing to do or is it a bit like trining wheels on a bike??
Also would a bigger/smaller wheel help with or without a lorry drivers handle??
Cheers
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2 hours ago, Naughty Cal said:
We only have the one VP drive thankfully but it is stupidly expensive to maintain.
Same goes for the green lump in the engine bay!
I'm already finding the downside to (Volvo) sterndrives firstly the bl**dy thing won't go in a straight line - driver error I suspect?.
Secondly you have to take it out of the water even just to change the morse cable - as is happening next week.
The trouble is our chosen boat only came sail drive or sterndrive not shaft!
All a good learning curve - but we are still glad we bought her as we are enjoying our boating again...............
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20 minutes ago, matty40s said:
Julian probably sells it on here and then ebay.
Or not - doesn't anyone want my "proper" chimney chain....................!?
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6 minutes ago, WotEver said:
Precisely. However, as I wrote earlier, if you aren't competent yourself then get someone in who is.
So it is complete nonsense to state "use a qualified fitter otherwise you will invalidate your insurance "
This examination and certification may well be a requirement of your marine insurer.’
................ we can all edit text to suit our own purposes
as I intimated much earlier in this now very boring thread why would anyone want to try to find a way around regulations designed to ensure your safety just accept them and move on and you and your boating neighbours will be safer
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"Boat Safety examiner, Andrew Phasey, explains the regulations regarding gas safety:
‘If your privately-owned boat is used by you for leisure or sporting purposes, there is no legal requirement for you to use a properly trained, qualified and Gas Safe registered operative to work on the gas system of your boat’.
‘You are required, though, to ensure that the work conforms to PD 5482-3:2005, the code of practice for installations in boats, yachts and other vessels of lengths up to 24m.
‘Furthermore, under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, you must take account of the health and safety of yourself and other persons who may be affected by your acts or omissions.
‘If, for example, you fit a gas appliance to your boat, best practice recommends that you employ a Gas Safe registered operative, who is qualified to work with LPG on boats, to examine the gas system and appliance. If the requirements of PD 5482-3:2005 or BS EN ISO 10239:2000 are met, the Gas Safe operative will issue a Gas Safety Certificate.This examination and certification may well be a requirement of your marine insurer.’"
The above text is not edited by me and is a full and direct copy not to be edited to suit differing messages.
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18 minutes ago, Jeff78 said:
Nice tips.
Any info out there on potential wait times at particular locks in August ?
This year will (hopefully) be a one off so any tips based on past experience however well intentioned will probably be unreliable - but I guess its a fair bet that anywhere that is usually busy will be busier??
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5 minutes ago, WotEver said:
Why would it invalidate the BSSC?
Or the insurance, for that matter?
If you carry out a mod under the BSSC regs that isn't done properly you could have an issue next time around
Insurance definitely affected - read your small print - try to make a claim if you have a fire............
Why would you even think to do it without a professional involved - you don't mess with gas on a boat.
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Just now, Gerry underwood said:
We are in the process of changing our cooker as it is rubbish. Should we expect to do a straight swap or will we have to change stuff to fit??
Flexi fittings will be your friend - if already there you are probably going to be OK if not use them this time - I assume GAS so use a qualified fitter otherwise you will invalidate your insurance (and BSSC)
Fully fitted or freestanding will make a difference to the ease of this
Stay safe this is not an area to save money
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44 minutes ago, robtheplod said:
I'm sticking my neck out here and think the canals best days are to come. As international travel becomes more troublesome and the world becomes less stable I think people will want to holiday in their own country. Canals offer a really good alternative where the journey is the holiday rather than just a part of it - no problems finding what to do each day. I have had several recent conversations with people who have never considered narrowboats/canals but as I describe/show videos (not in a anorak way!) now want to try it. The UK weather is also improving so when we have longer hot spells people may question queueing in the airport! The UK canal system is USP of the UK so I can see international travel this way as foreigners come to try...
It always amazes me people want to fly to sandpits full of crowds when they haven't seen their own beautiful country yet.
I truly hope you are right BUT from our direct experience over the last 2-5 years in particular its not on the internet its reality............and getting worse
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2 hours ago, Rambling Boater said:
Running on from what Alan said. I was wondering how long you could live out in open sea on a sailing boat?
Drinking water can be made from sea water using a desalinator and there are plenty of fish in the sea (if you can find where they are). Shelter would be the boat presumbly in a fairly warm climate. Solar panels to provide electrical power (as diesel would eventually run out). No toilet issues to worry about.
The main problems would be health and equipment failure. Stormy weather could also be an issue. So at some point you may be forced to make a trip back inland.
It wouid be a very solitary life (unless you take someone with you). The dolphins and whales probably make better company anyway.
I'm not sure it's everyones cup of tea but an interesting and possibly rewarding lifestyle. Someone must have written a book about it.
AND...........where would the dog go for a pee???
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8 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:
After about 30 years I have decided to leave the canals and go 'back to the sea' - I see the future use of the canals as being increasing difficult as the costs rise and the infrastructure continues to fall apart.
That pretty much sums up where we are at as well after 50 years for me and 30 for SWMBO - rivers for us from now on - possibly with a bit of estuary - we like a bit more space(width) and a bit more light with windows which simply wouldn't be safe on the canals any more.
As to the future I suspect less maintainance, more antisocial behaviour, fewer enthusiasts, fewer proper boats and loads more linear housing and "entitled" boaters............and we don't want to stick around to see it
Act quickly if you want to enjoy a holiday in the slow lane this summer
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that sounds like a pretty good reason to properly stay at home and keep away from the system for the next 6 weeks then .....................