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Less than a year before that was filmed, we took the boat to Oxford and moored opposite the boarded off redundant boatyard. There was none of the awful graffiti that they highlighted and Isis Lock was very pretty and well kept. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE AREA IN SUCH A SHORT TIME?
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Our National DM2 drives 72foot on rivers like its been set free from captivity. Can't speak for a RN though.
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Taking the instruction literally and trying to translate into modern English, I am wondering if "Frying" (assume it means without fat or oil having wiped the pan clean) for FIVE minutes in a "tolerably" hot pan ................ could be a problem. Perhaps "tolerably hot" means, not very hot at all? If not, I am imagining the smell of burnt batter!
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My challenge was on the statement "the traditional Grand Union index number that Badsey has carried for 79 years", as clearly there was a period in its carrying days where there is not a shred of evidence that the number was still carried.
Good Grief Alan ----------
You mean, apart from the shred that is a photo on our wall of J.James steering the boat bearing the GU index number AND in his carrying days.
Sorry - not getting it out of the frame to put it on here just to prove it (even if I knew how).
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I look up to him, as he has a" Fleet"...
When I mentioned the word "Fleet" to the National Historic Ships Register I got the reply, 'No, not a fleet, possibly a Squadron'
I was happy to be a Squadron Leader.
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Now I see the problem. The number 12674 is preceeded by "BW" not "GU".
Had the number been shown as GU12674 I doubt you would have had a problem. CRT number takers would have looked elsewhere for "their" number, possibly even accepting the fact that it was nowhere to be seen except on the licence.
Alton had the 2 aluminium plates attached to the front deck beam, Badger has them attached each side of the pigeon box.
George ex nb Alton retired
Old pic. It is now in GU livery with GUnumber
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There is no such thing as a 'traditional Grand Union index number', the five figure number you refer to being a Grand Union Canal Company gauge number - and BADSEY's being 12674 issued on 19 February 1937 (the last number issued being 12787 on 14 September 1938). This gauge number has no current meaning, and has not done so since the 1950's - and was only relevant to a boat that traded across the Grand Union network of waterways.
Like all other boats that were licensed on British Waterways Board operated waterways in 1980 BADSEY was issued with a B.W.B. index number (68474) and a pair of pressed aluminium number plates, both plates being attached to the wooden beam that goes across the fore deck.
I just wanted the boat to look like it looked when Jack James had it. Plus I thought the survey and the letters were a waste of money.
I think you are on a hiding to nothing if you try to argue that 'your' number is a valid alternative to the one that BW/CRT have specifically issued to you for the purposes of registration/licencing.
On Fulbourne the cabin sides display:
- the name (FULBOURNE)
- the original fleet number (142)
- the original registration (Reg. at Rickmansworth No 174)
- the Grand Union Canal Company gauging number (GU 12740)
The BW/CRT index number (73167) is displayed using the BW aluminium plates mounted on the front of the engine room. On some motors this location was used for BCN plates, so it has some historical justification. This has been acceptable to BW/CRT for 25+ years.
That is a lovely butty that you're towing. But where are its plates?
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Pedant Alert
There is actually very little evidence of boats like Badsey carrying their GU gauging numbers in the late 1960s, at least, and pictures of the boats like Badsey repossesed from Willow Wren CTS and dumped on the Wendover Arm would suggest that at that stage probably none of them had a gauge number painted on them.
As the practice of gauging boats had died out by then in favour of much simpler charges to carrying companies, the gauge number would presumably by then have been irrelevant?
Unless, of course someone can find pictures that say otherwise.
Uber Pedant Alert (!)
Badsey doesn't actually seem to have been gauged until February 1937, so has only had that gauge number for 78 years, I think!
take my word for it, we have pics of Jack James steering Badsey in wartime GUCCC livery bearing the registered number and the G.U. index number PLUS Noel James steering it in BW colours bearing the same numbers but the latter is prefixed with B.W., just as it was when we bought it.
The modern index number was not displayed at any of the above times.
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I must admit I think it's a bit silly. For fifteen years I managed perfectly well not displaying the modern number. However, when Dave Moore re-lettered the butty I rather liked having lots of of his elegant sign written numbers all over the boat so I asked him to add the licence as well.
CART now has five different numbers to chose from. That should shut them up
Now that looks very fine.
Sorry that I seem to have created multiple threads for this subject. Not sure how. Perhaps a moderator would combine them all together.
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I can't see any logic to that argument. The numbers are the same. I don't believe CRT are quibbling about painted numbers, just that 'their' number must be displayed.
Tim
the traditional Grand Union index number that Badsey has carried for 79 years is a different 5 figure number to the one CRT require to be displayed.
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You seem to have created multiple posts?
This thread refers to the issue, though not originally specifically for historic boats.
I'm not aware of many that display a BW/CRT index number on both sides, though one or two do, I think, and others have just a single one on the front of the engine room.
You are lucky if you have only a 5 digit number - "Sickle's" was allocated late enough to be 6 digits.
What I object to most is the tone of the communication, which somehow manages to brand us as not looking like we are paying our way, even though they have clearly had no problem identifying the boats, and establishing that we are fully licensed.
I do accept that by the letter of the relevant acts we should be visibly displaying a number that BW/CRT have allocated for the boat, but frankly there are surely better things for them to go after. If we owned a "Willow", a "Kingfisher" or even a "LLamedos", then they might have a point - it is not hard to work out that there are not multiple "Badseys" or "Sickles".
Alan, I did fight my way through the 8pages of the similar thread but I started this as a new subject because I am asking if CRT no longer accept the historic number which in our case was issued by G.U. and do other historic boat owners agree to display the modern number beside the historic number.
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I have just received a letter from CRT stating it is a legal requirement for our two historic boats (Badsey & Angel) to display on both sides, their modern index number. In 79 years, Badsey has always displayed its original number "G.U.12674" and never the modern number 68474. BW were perfectly happy with this.
Both boats display their licenses.
Apparently this enforcement is because "other canal users MAY ASSUME that a boat is unlicensed".
What is especially galling is the phrase "without this we can't dredge as much, keep the locks working.............etc.etc."
As I opened the letter Badsey was high and dry on the undredged mud because once again, CRT just will not repair the bottom lock at Hillmorton to keep the water in the pound overnight.
Do any other historic boat owners display two five figure numbers each side of their boat?
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They certainly are but in the rather elevated 'National Historic Fleet'.
Go to www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk and all will be revealed.
James
Yes, sorry, I was having a knock at the 70%
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Exactly, it needs power, I was replying to a post about the drip feeds that do not require power, i.e. simple stand alone stoves and my comment stands.
Ours does have a circulation pump that needs power - that is a fact - But the drip fed diesel water heaters can, and do, work without any power on a gravity fed system.
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The drip feed ones don't use any leccy though, do they?
No, but neither do they heat radiators or water or indeed the other end of the boat.
Our Kabola E5 is drip fed and heats the radiators and water. Needs a tiny bit of battery power to pump the water round though.
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Are Cutty Sark or HMS Victory on the National Historic Ships Register?
"Intact" is a clever word to use. It merely means "complete", "whole" or "unbroken".
Gives a new meaning to 70% complete.
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I put Badsey on the Historic Ships register after hearing R Parry speak at a HNBC meeting shortly after he arrived as CRT ChX. He simply suggested it may be a good way for CRT licencing folk to quickly tell if a boat qualified for an historic boat discount. As it costs nothing to go on the NHSRegister, I thought it sounded sensible. As for the 10% discount, I have always thought this should be larger when you take into consideration, that our canals are not maintained for the likes of Badsey to navigate.
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Best I've seen at describing the life and its demise with the hope it can carry on. And yes the Two Boats is the one at Long Itchington. We enjoyed a few meals and pints there just before Christmas.
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Whatever happened to the proposal to re-instate the basin at the end of this arm - currently a car park
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A cup of tea is pleasant, refreshing and easy to digest ................
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Nick Wolfe has just gone down through Hillmorton Locks and shouted that there is a problem with a paddle on one of the middle locks. Sorry but I didn't catch which one but it shouldn't be a problem for you.
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Got a reply from Pete who makes the Epping Stove and he confirms they now make the smokebox without damper or door but all current ones are for new stoves. The only spare he had was one made by mistake in some type of hardened steel!! so I have bought that at a very reasonable price.
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I made the mistake of buying a alloy damper box from a well known chandelers. With being a different metal it corroeded the fire coller and that broke off.
If you mean the raised rim that the smoke/damper box fits over, in my experience it doesn't need any help to corrode.
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Sounds good, I'll try to get there, although I might be away cruising in August...
By co-incidence we were at Hillmorton Locks on Saturday, I had a couple of friends come up for the weekend but we couldn't get the boat out of Brinklow because of the high winds, so we drove down to Hillmorton Locks in the car because they wanted me to explain how a lock worked, we chatted to a really lovely lady who owns a pair of vintage working boats moored there, she even opened the stern doors on one so I could show my friends what a traditional boatman's cabin looked like. A lovely day!
What a lovely post. And the lovely lady to whom you refer is the Lesley whose name signs off the original post above (and come to think of it - below) and is co-organiser of the event and proprietor of canalchef café.
She says to thank you.
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Looks great and you did well on the price, and the size of them. Can't beat long slow cooking.