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20 minutes ago, Captain Pegg said:
Good question. If the thread doesn’t get back on track I might notice that there are folk who showed their displeasure at talk of steam trains in the historics for sale thread that are taking this thread off topic. ?
I would refer m'learned friend to post no 590. As of 6pm this evening.
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Yes, one wonders if m'learned friends are being consulted.
And the owner could just be caught in the crossfire.
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Still there and nobody knows what happens next, including the boat owner. If CRT do they're not telling anyone; probably still considering the options.
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On 26/06/2019 at 06:09, Old Son said:On 22/06/2019 at 16:02, Nightwatch said:
Yes, Chertsey andAldgate are there. Been there on the 48 hour moorings for nearly a week. Hasty is likewise. Hampton and Cyprus went through Norton Junction early afternoon.
We haven't escaped the Rochdale but we have escaped Braunston. Love the show but wouldn't want to be aboard a boat during the show restriction times.
So this is OK if you have a historic boat?
And if you have a modern boat apparently
Unless you have a fairly elastic definition of how much old boat you need to include in a new build to make it historic.
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1 hour ago, haggis said:
While this all very interesting ? what has happened to the stuck widebeam?
Haggis
Still there this morning.
As to craning out, it might be cheaper than some other solutions I’ve heard were being proposed which involved dewatering and alterations to the walls below water level.
Who’s paying? Let’s take a wild guess...
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18 hours ago, RLWP said:
Based on what happened before, the boat will theoretically fit. In practice, that section works well for narrowboats but is not maintained for widebeams because they don't cruise there
The structure of the bridge was wider than the boat I saw stuck, but the channel (maintained by passing narrowboats) wasn't. So it stuck
It seems widebeam boats require the channel to be maintained to a greater width than narrowboats
Richard
What happened before? Have boats built to similar dimensions passed through this bridge unimpeded? And what are the engineering tolerances on the dimensions?
Based on the width reported by the owner - 4m - and the Fraenkel Report* quoted dimensions from Napton to the top of Bordesley - 3.8m - we would appear to have a negative proximity coefficient here. Now the Fraenkel Report dimensions have to be treated with a degree of circumspection, from memory it gives Hillmorton as maximum length 70ft when 71'6" GUCCCo boats had been using the locks for years, but they were presumably based on some sort of survey of pinch points.
I'll say it again: The structure of the bridge you can see might be wider than the boat but below water level it's not that the channel isn't maintained, it's the structure of the bridge itself which is narrow because of the batter on the retaining walls. (I've just had a look at some notes on civil engineering structures, 1:8 is typical for brick retaining walls)
We were sat down at teatime yesterday with someone who was on the boats when the cement traffic was running from Southam to Sampon Road and asked him if they ever ran through this bridge breasted up,"no it's too narrow" was the reply which would suggest the bridge has been less than 14ft wide since at least the early 60s.
*Someone fished it out, also at teatime yesterday - we drink a lot of tea.
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10 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:
I'm inclined to think the reason for the coping stone removal is the air draft of the boat meaning it needs to come through hard against the left bank to miss the low side of the bridge deck. As previously suggested by Davidg.
Possibly Mike but that’s not what I was saying. The walls have batter* on one or both sides so well below water level the bridge hole is narrower than up top.
Anyway the removal of the copings doesn’t seem to have achieved anything as the boat was still there this morning. Several of us would have predicted that outcome; apparently the CRT engineer didn’t.
*not the stuff found round fish, or Mars bars.
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19 minutes ago, roland elsdon said:
Off to wedge myself in hurleston i have evidence ive been up before so crt will see me right
The precedent appears to have been set by this so fill your boots...
Perhaps instead of going to Braunston next weekend the HNBC should despatch boats to every tight lock on the system. Who's for an easy one, fifth lock up Napton, get stuck on Monday, fixed on Wednesday. Hurleston: 30 years - pah, we'll have it sorted by next weekend.
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25 minutes ago, MHS said:
No, just the standard ones.
Depends which standard ones. The Speedfit ones go in ok but any other flavour forget it. The wall thicknesses of the various manufacturers' tube varies so Speedfit inserts in a different make of tube fits like the proverbial. Otherwise silicone grease as someone has said.
It's a minefield.
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5 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:
From Facebook
so it may not be visible to all
That would be in the "Moored like a ****" group on Facebook I assume.
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1 hour ago, Rickent said:
I can confirm Python has now left Barrow.
Good grief, sounds like I've had a reptile infestation.
21 hours ago, Nightwatch said:Yes, Chertsey andAldgate are there. Been there on the 48 hour moorings for nearly a week. Hasty is likewise. Hampton and Cyprus went through Norton Junction early afternoon.
We haven't escaped the Rochdale but we have escaped Braunston. Love the show but wouldn't want to be aboard a boat during the show restriction times.
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr, is this mission creep. Let the discussion begin....
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2 hours ago, roland elsdon said:
How did it get there? Unless dropped in in warwick? Not unless someone has been sneaking around narrowing bridges after its north south passage. If it gets up stockton its then got the road bridge, which i got stuck in with our pair in 1987 and had to be dragged out with a landrover.
However tools are available localy. Gas axe and scrap lorry..
And its not the coping as I recall.
Correct Roland, Unless things have changed when pairs got stuck here there was ample width at the waterline, it's down below where the bridgehole was tight. The concrete structure above has been on the slide for years and now has steel strapping round the bridge abutments on the towpath side to try and hold it back; whether the towpath wall has moved or not maybe we'll find out. As to how this boat got there, well there is a boatbuilder in Warwick specialising in widebeam boats, there perhaps?
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Don't know. I would guess not looking at it. Still tied on the towpath below the bridge this morning.
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So, widebeams in inappropriate places part 256:
Below Shop Lock, Stockton, won’t go through the flat topped concrete bridge. Anyone who’s hung around there long enough knows the bridge comes in below water level; many have tried to go through breasted despite being warned but they knew better. Oh, how we laughed.
Usual mayhem with the pound above dropped off two feet, boats lying at angles on the bottom, water over the offside coping in the pound down to Jones’. Boat still below the bridge awaiting CRT engineer taking a look. And that’s before they try and get through the Blue Lias bridge.
Just stop it.
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9 hours ago, Derek R. said:
Probably I took these in 1988, can't remember where though. Quite possibly on the Shroppie somewhere.
I think these are probably on the offside between Sutton's & Bedworth Hill Cutting. I towed Leopard back from Roger Fuller's for Roy and dropped it off there.
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18 minutes ago, David Mack said:
So what sort of pigeon box should a H&W boat sport?
Take a look at old photographs or, for a Big Woolwich, the one on Buckden was as close as Brinklow Boat Services could get to "as original" at the time.
They're plug ugly mind, like the original back cabin doors were.
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8 hours ago, Mike the Boilerman said:
No-one knows what on earth you're on about!!
I think you'll find that statement is incorrect.
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I reached the same conclusion after looking at photos when I last made new doors for the boat about 20 years ago.
Or it could be I'm lazy and couldn't be bothered to refit the drawer pulls from the previous doors.
I'll leave it to the reader to make their own decision....
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1 hour ago, Athy said:
Thank you for that information. Ripon and Pocklington I might have guessed, but I would never have suspected that the company also owned canals in the North-West, such as the Ashton and the Macclesfield - though since its empire stretched up and over to Manchester via the former Great Central Railwsy, I suppose it makes some sense.
The Great Central empire went much further west than Manchester, try Wales with the Wrexham, Mold & Connah's Quay Railway as well as various oddities around Liverpool & south Lancashire.
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5 hours ago, Graham_Robinson said:
Talk about crawling!!! So this is how you get ahead of me in the queue.☹️
What you need to do Graham is to make sure your football team poses no threat to the baggies position in the play offs...
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11 hours ago, dave moore said:
Not a chimney, rather a tall pipe to sit on the cabin top from the exhaust, usually used on deeper canals with higher bridges, or when loaded in bygone days. Looks to me like the work of Dave Parrot, A’s is the titch pipe behind.
Correct Dave, as usual.
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You could look at these, painted by Phil Speight
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2 hours ago, Athy said:
Not knowingly. There are a couple of rows of boats moored three abreast there, I thought it was one of those.
I thought Gunby was a character in Monty Python's Flying Circus.
You'll find it's a village in Lincolnshire where my great great grandfather was born, learnt the saddlery trade and moved to Slaithwaite. There is a hall there which I hope to inherit one day but feel my hopes will ultimately founder.
Barrow hasn't been there since the summer Mike.
March of the Widebeams
in General Boating
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Because an “engineer” came, took a look and instructed CRT operatives to do so.
I put engineer in quotes as that is who one of the CRT operatives involved told me was coming.
Of course the quotes could be taken to imply another meaning.