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  1. Hiring out your boat is business use and comes under a whole different set of rules. See https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/business-and-trade/business-boating/starting-or-expanding-a-boating-business

     

    The only practical way to do this is a sponsored boat in a hire fleet. The hire company runs the boat, but you own it. But they usually source a new boat that meets their requirements, and it is very unlikely they will be interested in your current boat.

  2. 2 hours ago, Tony Brooks said:

    As there are specific instructions, then I agree, but I am still unclear where the 0.254 something came from, certainly not your manual extract, and it is about a quarter of an inch. Not likely for setting valve clearances.

    0.254mm = 1/100 inch or 10 thou?

  3. On 20/04/2024 at 09:02, Captain Pegg said:

     

    Now while I don’t advocate the canals being used as an official social housing overflow I do wonder if there are Councils who are secretly glad that the canal is housing folk that they would otherwise have more expense in dealing with. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing for CRT politically in the current climate.

    Local authorities already have too few resources (and available homes) to deal with the current (land based) homeless population. Boat dwellers are mostly well enough off/ insufficiently vulnerable that they wouldn't get rehoused by councils anyway. So I doubt it would make much difference to councils. 

    Van dwellers who park on local streets and annoy residents are probably more of an issue for councillors.

  4. 52 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

    The problem in both cases seem to have come about with the latest revision that seems to have brought (note seems) more boats into scope, e.g. self fit out boats that were exempt, or boats post 1998 that have been fitted with any non CE marked engines - be they vintage, non CE marked second-hand. or weird one off imports.

    I suspect the main issue is that the number of such craft coming onto the market is small, and by the nature of being exempt from some RCD requirements at the time, these craft do not have full documentation. So the BMF and the brokers are erring on the side of caution by declining to deal with such boats. Selling them (as a broker) would not be illegal, but why take the risk? 

  5. 2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

     

     

    I have posted this many times in the last few weeks but  if it helps, this is the definition of a distributor (as far as the RCD / RCR is concened)

     

    3.4 Distributor’s obligations The distributor is any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other than the manufacturer or the importer, who makes the product available on the market.

    But in the case of a broker who never owns the boat, but merely advertises it on behalf of the owner, which party is actually making it available on the market?

  6. 44 minutes ago, Frankgh said:

    It looks like from that site that 3 locks are impassable, Pershore, Evesham and Nafford. Is that correct?

    I think Pershore is navigable if travelling upstream, Evesham and Nafford are closed.

    Worth phoning them Monday morning for the latest position, but in any event if you arrive at Tewksbury, the lock keeper would probably advise you not to proceed onto the Avon since you wouldn't be able to get through, and so no need to pay the Avon licence fee.

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  7. 1 hour ago, Mark R said:

     

     

    Thanks MtB, think I'll fit what has been left and replace it with something a little more substantial if it looks a bit weedy/useless. 

    You don't need anything more substantial - quite the opposite. You want the fender chains to fail if the fender gets caught in/under/over a beam as you are rising or falling in locks.

    1 hour ago, blackrose said:

    Also it's a good idea to add weak links when attaching fenders so that if the fender gets caught on a lock gate it will snap. People generally use (6mm) cable ties.

    But use black ones which are less susceptible to UV degradation in sunlight than white.

    Fit weak links to two of the three chains with a complete chain/shackle connection to one side. That way you won't lose the fender completely if it does get caught up.

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  8. 23 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    As written, the law includes not only business sales (a legal person) but a private individual (a natural person) as well and prevents them from selling a boat without the correct paperwork.

    (But good luck trying to enforce that one).

     

    3.4 Distributor’s obligations The distributor is any natural or legal person in the supply chain, other than the manufacturer or the importer, who makes the product available on the market......................

    But making the product available on the market is defined as being in the course of a commercial activity. So a private individual selling his own boat is not (in RCD terms) making it available on the market, and is thus not subject to the distributor's obligations (although a broker handling the sale may well be).

  9. 2 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    HMRC are happy (it was their suggestion) for a 60/40 declaration and they will not investigate a boater making that claim.

     

    2 hours ago, jupiter1124 said:

    In my view it was rather presumptuous and in fact unfair of them to make such a suggestion. Prior to getting my mooring, as a liveaboard continuous moorer I declared 10% propulsion, and kept detailed logs that showed that this was in fact a fair split for my usage to within around 5%. I was never investigated. Now I declare 60/40, which is close to my actual usage.

    Well HMRC made the suggestion at the time the propulsion duty was introduced, so no individual boater has ever had to prove this was an appropriate split for their use.

    The background is that the EU (of which we were then a member) decided that boat propulsion use should have the same duty as road fuel, and most other EU countries were already doing this. The UK Government resisted the change as long as they were able to, but eventually had to comply. To avoid leisure boaters either having to pay propulsion duty on all fuel, or install separate tanks for propulsion and non-propulsion fuel, the Government came up with the split duty scheme. The details were developed with the boating industry, and it was agreed that the 60/40 split was a fair representation of the actual split in use across a range of different leisure boat types and activities (not just canal and river craft). In deriving the calculation, the contribution of an engine used for propulsion to also provide electricity and space/water heating was taken into account, reducing the propulsion element, notwithstanding that the electricity and heat was incidental to the main engine use for propulsion. The use of separate tanks would not have allowed this to be non propulsion use, so the split declaration worked in boaters' favour.

    The EU however regarded the split declaration basis as non compliant with EU law. In their view any fuel tank supplying a propulsion engine should only have duty paid (white) diesel in it, as is the case for road vehicles. Matters rumbled on for a while until the EU declared they were going to take the UK Government to the European Court over the issue, an eventuality that only didn't happen because we left the EU.

  10. 55 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    Major Craft Conversion means ” … a conversion of a watercraft which changes the means of propulsion of the watercraft, involves a major engine modification, or alters the watercraft to such an extent that it may not meet the applicable essential safety and environmental requirements laid down in this Directive”.

    And that is such a generic and vague description  that could prompt arguments for years about what is or is not a Major Craft Conversion!

    2 hours ago, Bod said:

    The boat whether sold or not will have to pass the BSSC at some time to be licenced.

     

    Bod

    To be licenced the boat needs a BSC. To be sold by a broker the boat now apparently needs paperwork to demonstrate RCR compliance. Two completely different sets of standards. And scope for much confusion amongst boat owners and prospective boat owners who are not immersed in the minutiae of such matters!

  11. 1 hour ago, jddevel said:

     

    I would add that the hull was constructed by Bourne Boats to a sailaway level.

    Did you buy it from them directly?

    Did it come with an Annex III(a) declaration that it complied with the RCD up to the then stage of completion (and if so do you still have that declaration)?

  12. 37 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:

    The RCD / RCR is still part of our laws, to enable UK manufactueres to sell in Europe

    No. Anybody wishing to sell a boat in Europe (EU country) has to comply with the EU RCD. Whether or not there are equivalent regulations in UK law has no bearing on that.

     

    At present the UK RCR is the same as the EU RCD, the EU rules having been transferred into UK law en-masse at the point of Brexit. But one of the purposes of Brexit was to enable UK law to differ from EU law. So far the idea of just dumping all the EU rules has been pushed into the long grass, but presumably over time both UK and EU rules will get modified, and the two sets will diverge. But I can't see the RCR being high on any UK politicians priorities, so we are probably stuck with the current rules for the foreseeable future.

  13. 1 hour ago, jddevel said:

    The bureaucrats are on the case with their red tape and interference!!

    Enforcement of the RCR is the responsibility of local authority trading standards departments, and most are so under-resourced that this comes such a long way down their list of priorities that only the most serious cases are likely to be followed up.

    More likely is a dispute between a customer and a boatbuilder or supplier about RCR compliance, which could eventually end up in court. But most people's experience of RCR issues will be when trying to sell a boat, as it seems that brokers are increasingly requiring complete and up to date RCR paperwork before taking on the sale. For a boat which has been owner fitted out or significantly modified, demonstrating compliance can be as much of an issue as actually doing the work in a compliant manner.

    So who are the 'bureaucrats' in your case?

    1 hour ago, BoatinglifeupNorth said:

    That says:

    "As in the previous Directive, there are still some boats which are exempt from the RCD, these are:

    Home built: where the boat has been substantially built by the owner for their own use and is not sold for a period of 5 years.  However the boat owner may employ specialist services for elements of the build and still be considered a self build. However, you may find it challenging to sell the boat after 5 years without the relevant RCD documentation, builders plate and CE marking."

     

    That is reasonably clear for an entirely home built craft, but it doesn't say whether a sailaway built by a professional builder, and sold with full RCR documentation for a craft completed to the relevant stage, can then be regarded as 'owner built' in relation to the subsequent fitting out, and therefore exempt from a PCA and updated documentation if kept for at least 5 years.

  14. 18 hours ago, magpie patrick said:

    Off the top of my head the Northern BCN is remainder and navigable, there are probably others. There aren't that many of them though. 

    I think the only Cruiseway sections of the BCN are the Main Line/ New Main Line from Aldersley to Gas Street and Farmers Bridge, Netherton Tunnel Branch, Dudley Canal west of Windmill End and the Birmingham and Fazeley (including the Digbeth Branch as far as Warwick Bar). Everything else is remainder.

    At the time of the 68 Act, none of the BCN was regarded as being of any use for pleasure cruising, and the sections listed above were the minimum necessary to connect other cruising waterways.

  15. 18 hours ago, Cheshire cat said:

    That is the one. If a meaningful start has been made we will have to await the outcome 

    A meaningful start can either be the actual commencement of the proposed work, that then proceeds in earnest. Or it can be a token activity undertaken with the sole purpose of keeping planning permission alive, without actually intending to do anything more in the near future.

  16. 4 hours ago, jam said:

    Is this the one? Just found the details, it is classed as Wedgewood Marina in Barlaston. Application was orginally made in October 2015 and passed on 30th April 2019 with the provisio that a maximum number of boats be 141 and no permanent moorings for residential purposes. Last document on the palnning permission is dated April 2022, so finer detail is still dragging on.

     

    Stafford Borough Council
    Planning Application 15/22013/FUL
    Trent And Mersey Canal Land Adjacent Old Road, Barlaston, Staffordshire
     
    Formation of canal marina and associated facilities including marina reception/facilities building, redistribution of material to form canal basin, car parking, access and associated works

    Planning permission usually expires after 3 years if work on site hasn't begun. So has anything happened on site? Or is the permission now defunct?

  17. 3 minutes ago, Ronaldo47 said:

    It's not rocket science to make a new key for that type of lock. When I was a child, we inherited a box of assorted mismatched locks and keys, and I managed to modify some of the keys to fit some of the simple locks like the one in the photo, using a hacksaw and files from dad's toolbox.  

    At school I made a key for a small store room that a school group I was involved with used. And then I filed the sides down and converted it to a master key that would open any classroom door in that building!

  18. 12 minutes ago, ditchcrawler said:

    The link I posted is surface tolerant 

    image.thumb.png.1e56cb11526489a0a2ea893127f8bbcd.png 

    The general description says that, but in the detail it says "For immersion service: steel; blast cleaned to ISO-Sa2½".

    In practice you may well get away with a lesser standard of preparation, but no manufacturer or supplier is going to say that as they don't want any responsibility if the paint system fails.

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