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I don't understand what you are getting at in the above questions. I never suggested that the GU engineers could not do their maths. My original post was in response to another poster who stated that a sidepond would save 50% of the water in a lock.. If you pass the water directly from one lock into one alongside (as was once practised on the T&M on Cheshire Locks) you will be able to save 50% of the water. If you pass the water into a sidepond to store it before using it again in the lock, then you will save a lesser amount, which in typical cases is about a third. The only way to save more water is to use multiple sideponds at different levels as pointed out by Magpie Patrick above.

Were you referring to my comments Laurence? I stand by my statement that it is not possible for a sidepond to save 50% of water in a lock. I did not say that side ponds do not work, just that the amount saved is more like a third rather than a half. If you can prove otherwise I shall be pleased to see your explanation. 50% is possible when emptying directly from one lock to another alongside. Cheers,

It's a greatly perpetuated myth that a side pond saves 50% of water used. I don't see that it can be possible for a side pond to save half a lock of water. A third is a more likely figure, and you still need a wide shallow pond to achieve that.

I have been asked by archaeologist John Barnatt to review a list of underground canals that he has drawn up whilst preparing an article on collieries in the Buxton area. There are quite a number of such canals listed in the literature although it is by no means certain that all these were completed. We are also unsure whether some are correctly listed. For example; should the Rains Hall quarry canal should be on the list as it may just be a tunnel from the quarry rather than actually serving underground workings? John and I would be most grateful for any comments or suggestions that members of this forum might be able to add to the list which can be found at: http://www.brocross.com/temp/underground.htm Cheers,

I saw this photo today http://www.flickr.com/photos/38136824@N08/8672281781/ and it shows the wharf at Frodsham bereft of grain boats and the unloading crane gone. Has the traffic ended for good? It would be very sad if this last traffic on the Weaver has disappeared.

Dove Regd Manchester 521 Built 12/1881 MS&L fleet number 31 Goods Boat - Manchester & Macclesfield, BW - RB31 Nwn, Destroyed in fire at Portland Basin 1972 The other boat is Medic ex Anderton Co. (Built) 1901-5 To LNER Ex Anderton Co by /36, BW - RB16 Nwn, To PFCS/ACC 1972 later broken up. For details of the maintenance fleet on the Ashton, Peak Forest and Macclesfield Canals see: http://www.brocross.com/canal/boats.htm Cheers,

I find that when idiots start screaming at me about going too fast when I'm running at tickover, I suddenly find the sound of the bolinder such that I can't hear what they are saying. Once you have said 'pardon' and 'could you repeat that because I can't hear you' they are usually either incandescent (which is quite entertaining) or give up and go back to their badly moored/tied up vessel.

I looked in my 1938 Bradshaw and it does indeed include the London Underground stations. It spells "Berkhamsted" as here. Cheers,

The Cromford & High Peak was eventually a LNWR owned line, leased from 1862 and taken over in 1887. At the Cromford end of the line there was interchange with the Cromford Canal at High Peak Junction. The Cromford Canal passed to the Midland Railway and LNWR jointly in 1852.

There are a number of photographs of boats in MS&L, Great Central, and LNER livery on this site: www.brocross.com/canal/canal.htm Cheers,

I consulted Geoff Wheat's 'Leeds & Liverpool Canal Craft' and he states: "Ainscoughs' boat "Burscough No.2" was originally named "Black Prince" and, with working in the Mersey estuary, was registered at Lloyds. A steamship company wanted to use the name and bought the right from Ainscoughs, who then renamed their barge." Also from Geoff's book is this photo which is credited courtesy: J Parkinson. It shows the name clearly as painted on as BURSCOUGH2.

The photo was taken just above Bedford Street Locks on the Caldon Canal. The bottle ovens belong to Ridgway's Bedford Works. See http://www.thepotteries.org/potworks_wk/100.htm Cheers,

The name was applied there in Anderton Carrying Co days. Nos 2 & 3 are indeed westbound at Lymm. The first one is almost certainly on the Bridgewater, but going eastward towards Manchester. I am uncertain of the location although it may be around Agden?

That was quick Pete. I would love to know what features you used to make the identification. Cheers,

Thanks very much Pete, just what I was hoping for. The reason I was initially interested was because I was trying to identify the boats on some photos I have just acquired. I was hoping to match the registration to the boat, but unfortunately I can't read the registrations. These are not Mountbatten and Keppel that Jack and Leah worked in Anderton Carrying Company days as they were Yarwood boats and the motor at least in the first image is a Pimblott boat. What I would now like to identify is what particular boats these are. The Pimblott motor in picture 1 certainly has a couple of distinctive dents at the front that might help with id. All ideas welcome.

I have been trying to find the registration details of the Public Health boat registration numbers allocated to the Admiral Class boats built for British Waterways at Northwich. Surprisingly, I have only been able to find details for some of the boats. Can anyone help with the rest? Pimblott Motor ANSON Pimblott Butty BENBOW - Northwich No.108 Pimblott Motor COLLINGWOOD Pimblott Butty DRAKE - Pimblott Motor EFFINGHAM - Northwich No.111 Pimblott Butty FROBISHER Pimblott Motor GRENVILLE - Northwich No.115 Pimblott Butty HOWARD - I believe Northwich No.113 ? Yarwood Butty JELLICOE - Northwich No.116 Yarwood Butty KEPPLE - Northwich No.117 Yarwood Motor LINDSAY - Northwich No.118 Yarwood Motor MOUNTBATTEN - Northwich No.119

Wrong Clayton boat, they were involved with the Stour which is the sister boat to the Spey.

Tim, you are quite right about the motor boat looking unusual. The first Joel was converted from a butty at Gorton Dock and had the configuration of the 'hatches' as you describe. The current Joel was a 'book rebuild' but actually a completely new boat was constructed. Bill Holmes could no doubt give chapter and verse. Cheers,