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Right. So, options are a) move play boat tomorrow leaving new mattresses to be delivered to roof of new boat and hope they don't blow off or b) wait in for mattresses tomorrow and hope we aren't blown off cut cruising old boat Sunday or c) ask CRT for a few days over stay for cruising boat. Cruising boat is not in an overly desirable location or (I hope) particularly inconsideratly moored. So, maybe c) but pop by and tighten ropes?

I'm due to move cruising boat on Sunday (CRT advice* about doing it in the dark as an alternative as I've got some work on living boat happening Sat was 'don't'). No locks or winding on planned route and am moderately confident underway... Mostly unsure about moving off and mooring I think. Most experienced 'crew' will be a 6yr old who /can/ bow haul the boat in calm weather, but... *informal advice in conversation as was getting some admin sorted abt something unrelated

Yep, that side what I was thinking... Better expressed and spelled. People here don't know steel rusts due to decades of submersion. The rest of the (over plated) cut are flipped. (Over, due to lack of stability).

But @Rose Narrowboats. Much of that relies on (someone who has only had their boat backed once/decade) actually doing that. Boats have sunk due to sitting too low after overpating.

OP, I have a 30+ yr old boat for sale at present which does not require over (or any other) kind of plating as it has been well looked after. And, I'd imagine, pretty well built to start with. Recent survey by a colleague of the author of above article. Inside medium-pretty (very pretty, but unconventional as tug style). Hull really decent. BUT someone has to fall for the medium pretty inside before they survey to see the hull loveliness and buy. Swings and roundabouts... Edited to add: 33 and a bit years actually! To be honest people are expecting the hull to be I worse condition than it is so I kind of wish it was younger with a cr*appier hull as ppl discount for the age more than necessary with mine!

I'm just upset to learn that narrowboats (I'm assuming this is the one with the silly gunwale level fender fixings everyne said to get rid of?) have rainwater pipes. Which, presumably, I need to know about/how to maintain 8-)

To be honest with you if you've enjoyed your boat for 33 years you'll have probably had better 'value' from it than most boat owners get. I'm not sure if you liveaboard or use it for play but if you put it in the 'like a car/caravan' rather than 'like a house' category in your head (i.e. it is a liability requiring maintenance as it depreciates rather than an asset which increases in value (sometimes) without significant investment) then you might get a better perspective on it. Surveyors generally focus on the stuff you can't see easily as an average person whilst the boat is in the water (e.g. I'd rather they spent time using their ultrasound on the hull than looking at the quality of the kitchen cabinets which I can judge myself). You've clearly invested time and energy (and probably some £ too) in the parts you can see - and those are what will attract a new buyer. They may also want a hull survey (I don't think you're obliged to show them yours although it would come across odd not to if you mention it and they ask) but by that time they've already basically 'fallen for' the bits you've kept pretty. Options are * sell, without mentioning your survey, at a price which reflects the condition of the visible bits ** reduce price significantly (to close to 'scrap' value) after they get a hull survey to reflect what it is likely to say * sell, with mentioning of your survey, priced at scrap value, with a comment along the lines of 'price reflects work recommended by recent survey to get hull up to standard of living accommodation' * fix and sell - you'll need to speak to a few brokers/ppl on here/browse appolo duck/... to get an idea of if the returns will be worth it to you Edited to add... 1, Are there any standards for minimum thickness of rusty hulls? ** as above, only for some insurance/insurers 2, What is the death profile of a steel narrow? 3, Who would buy a rusty boat? ** dreamers/the poor/the ambitious/the unaware/the 'fallen for the fit out' types/someone spotting a potential bargain/... lots of boats near me are in pretty shocking nick.

But you'll have to give up your boat, become a hunter-gatherer, give up woven clothing (eek!)... 'designed' - now there is an argument I'm not getting into... Edited to add: I've never seen Tim in RL so in my head he looks like his avatar...

But, surely someone living in, basically, the days of Empire might be a leetle bit influenced, culinary-wise only ofc, by, say, a large percentage of the subcontinent? ? Edited to ad: akshually, aren't you somewhere in/from Yorkshire? Forgive me... you'll have been meaning veggie is sooo last century and you're with the vegans in Hebden, no?

Funny, isn't it? Sat in a legacy of previous industry, floating on a marina accessible because of previous industry, gazing out across both boat yard and farm, an artificially constructed and maintained landscape, consuming power (assuming limited solar in winter, and that even those on CW agree an engine or generator is noisier than a turbine) what bothers someone is a relatively new industry which is probably better for the environment (or at least considers trying to be a limiting factor) than any of the previous. But, also, change. For us it would have been 'how Yelvertoft is' as we'd not been before. If anything we celebrate turbines when we see them. The little plastic ones (which I can assure you are carefully maintained multi-use) in the Munchkin's deck garden are a legacy of how amazing she thought they were when we first stayed in an 'off grid' place with a little one. We walked all around there (and also into the rather nothingy village without open shop or pub) with the little mutts. I was horrified that the marina and village together could apparently not sustain a community focal point within walking distance. But the turbine didn't impinge at all.

About the turbine or the sheds? I used the slipway in late 2019 so presumably turbine was already there? About the turbine or the sheds? I used the slipway in late 2019 so presumably turbine was already there? Is it louder than a fridge? https://www.ge.com/reports/post/92442325225/how-loud-is-a-wind-turbine/

Gosh, we used that slipway (assuming Yelvertoft?). Pretty rainy so probs not that windy but didn't notice at all. Have they built some new sheds there since that was taken?

Has it been built yet? Link didn't work for me... Can't say I recall from visit in autumn.

Fab. Mutts-aside we're non-meat eaters so that is good to know ? Ah. Minbyism / serious concerns for air bourne wildlife & local live stock...

WTFlip? Something going over my head there...

... and the dogs are wet and miserable, and it is all your fault." Is what was said last time I attempted a holiday choice. (The Munchkin was technically right and not whinging, just observing. Is usually super-loving and very brave. It really was lousy weather in a very exposed location and poor activity choice/no porper outerwear). But apparently 'that hotel where we stayed when we went to see that boat' was a big hit so we're back in Crick shortly! We're aware of the The Moorings and The Wheatsheaf but if anyone has recommendations for any other mutt-friendly eateries (licensed or otherwise - I'll be designated car driver so if not walking distance from Crick won't be missing out anyway!) / little walks (we just went along the canal and back through the Jubilee woods) / other low key mutt friendly activities they would be much appreciated! (Not looking specifically for canal things as we're moving aboard and have another boat to cruise when not on holiday but things in the area, including canal themed would be lovely to know of)

Thank you. It has been a tough day ?

Oh, like a mop vase? I'd assumed you meant like some ppl have for boat poles inside. Got it now! I bought the Munchkin a narrowboat toy for Xmas with a roof-based mop holder. Was not aware it was a particularly traditional feature until you agreed with the Sylvanian designers! (Is it for the same purpose as my deck scrubbing broom type brush? You don't bring it inside to mop with do you?) Coats are another dilemma... I was thinking about popping those above the engine hole too but thought it would be embarrassing if visitors lost outerwear into the nether reaches...

@Rickent Trad stern (sorry half asleep) so the whole lot is 'inside' albeit with a sliding hatch over the middle bit. @Slim I shall run the horizontal storage idea past my design consultant...

So, I have a lovely large new boat. But, without an engine room I have nowhere to put my longer pole-like things (yes, have fun with it, but serious answers too please!). All the bulkheads are pretty much taken up with kitchen units/dinette/shower/bedheads and so forth. So, mop, broom etc are currently homeless. When you enter the trad stern (you're too boat-centric to find that one funny) you walk over a removable plank thing to cross the engine. At the sides, and a foot or so higher up, there are smaller removable planks on a metal edge. So the cross section looks something like --- --- <- little shelves ______ <- walkway &&&&& <- engine I was thinking of removing one or two of the self planks (which run cross-ways) and fitting mop holders to the cabin side so they can be slotted down into the engine bit. Presumably better to remove for cruising but that is fine as this is living boat not play boat. Does that sound sensible? My initial thought was to stick them all in a corner next to the stove gubbins but I was told that is an attractive feature in a way in which mops are not. This is for 'inside' mops etc nothing I want living on the roof. (Plan for gently biodegrading boat pole which, besides life ring, hose and fender hooks is all that is up there at present is yet to be formulated).