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1 minute ago, WotEver said:
Yes, that's right, and even if it does come from China it will still comply to the same specs as if it came from Sheffield.
Thanks.
I watched the video linked below. Really interesting and they do mention the BS/EN standards etc but go on to mention air pockets and so on in the steel with lower quality steel. So I'm guessing there's still low quality steel that still conforms to these standards!? All very confusing to me.
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Just now, WotEver said:
I didn't see that anywhere? They are what they are and make no pretensions about their 'heritage'.
I'm not sure likening them to the boating equivalent of Poundland is exactly positivity, is it?
Their heritage is ex Skater Marine.
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Just now, The Happy Nomad said:
I think they just do 57 feet to a fairly std. internal fit out which like the beetle helps keep costs and therefore price down.
That's right, just 57 ft but didn't ask any further questions about design etc so as not to waste their time.
Evidentily there's some negativity towards Aintree boats from the above comments. I had a 25ft and never had a problem with it, and the fit out appeared decent enough. I've no issue with a template design if that's the reason costs are kept down.
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1 minute ago, The Happy Nomad said:
Bickerstaff boats grit blast Aintree shells before they paint them. Any bare steel will start corroding as soon as its exposed to air, one advantage of grit blasting is that any such corrosion is removed before painting, it also gives a surface better suited to being painted.
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To be honest, I didn't ask Bickerstaff too many detailed questions as within the first 30 seconds I found out they don't build the size of boat I'm looking for which was a shame. They were really helpful in general though and spent a while chatting despite knowing they couldn't help me further with a build.
2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:If you don't it is false economy, the paint will stick to the scale and when the scale falls off the paint goes with it.
Painting 2-pack properly and it will last 7-10 years, paint without proper preparation and you may be re-doing it in 2 years. Which way works out the most expensive over the life of your ownership ?
I agree and would probably pay the extra. I'm not too fussed about cabin sides/roof etc, just the hull.
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Thickness is what appears to be the standard 10, 6, 5, 4 mm. Swan and Bickerstaffe use Aintree shells.
I'd understood the millscale would have to be removed too. I'm just guessing they potentially don't have the facilities to do it. One did say they'd be able to if I wanted it but likely to add a chunk of money to the build.
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3 minutes ago, Sea Dog said:
Hmm, there's a bold statement. I wonder if anyone ever has....
Actually one builder was shamed, I won't name them, but there's plenty on here which supports what was said. They weren't on the list of builders to speak to for that reason.
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Just now, Alan de Enfield said:
For a fully fitted boat ?
That's not a 'Asda' or Sainsbury's' boat, that's an 'Aldi' or 'Poundland' boat.
Yep. That's an Aintree boat. From one of the Beetle range. It's a template design with limited customisation - the layout choices are fixed - which I guess keeps the cost down a lot. Plenty seem happy enough with them. And Swan and Bickerstaffe use their shells too, so they can't exactly be that bad.
Any thoughts on the questions asked though?
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I'm contemplating a new build in the near future. I've spoken to a few builders in the last few days - some of which seem to have especially decent reputations, two of which use Aintree shells - and asked about the prep done to the hull before 2 pack painting. All of which advised they do not grit blast shells before applying their 2 pack paint to the hull.
I'd always understood from what I'd read that shells must be shotblasted for 2 pack paint to adhere. They advised otherwise, saying they sand between coats etc etc.
What's your thoughts? Is it a matter of following individual paint manufacturer's guides?
I also asked about the source of steel. With some of the new boats being very competitively priced I'd wondered if savings had been made in terms of the steel quality. I'm told it's all pretty much sourced from the same place - not China, I cannot remember where now. Is this right?
In fairness to them all, none of them slated or had a bad word to say about their competitors, and one went as far as saying it's hard to buy a 'bad boat' as such, more that you'll end up with the boat equivalent of a Ford Mondeo if you go for the more competitively priced builder. Nothing wrong with that at all, it'll be fine, but won't ever been a Lexus etc.
And by budget build, I mean just under £50k for a 35ft and just under £55K for a 40ft.
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1 minute ago, matty40s said:
There is quite a lot coming to market, you just have to be quick or get your self in the loop with brokers to find what's arriving.
Just doesn't seem to be many listed and on brokerage at all.
But you're right in terms of keeping in the loop - mine sold via the broker without even being advertised.
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29 minutes ago, Tracy D'arth said:
Longport Wharf?
Nope. Just a 57ft Liverpool hull with Grosvenor Marsh fitout from 2006 at £53K.
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1 minute ago, Tracy D'arth said:
Aqueduct have been moving a few boats in that look to be on brokerage over the last 3 weeks. They have a big banner on saying, "trade moving" or something on them.
May be worth a look there.
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I was there yesterday to meet the new owners of my boat which has just sold via Aqueduct. Unfortunately, nothing there of interest at the moment.
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I spoke with ABNB today as Great Escape was still available and was hoping to discuss whether my previous offer might be considered given time has gone on with no sale.
It sold yesterday or at least an offer was accepted.
There doesn't seem to be much coming to the market at the moment, especially 40-50ft - even the bigger brokers like Whilton, Venetian and Rugby boats have hardly anything compared to what they'd normally have!
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Just sold my 25ft, the broker didn't even have to advertise it in the end as I introduced the buyer to the broker via the Facebook group. Lots of dreamers and timewasters on there initially, hence it going to a broker. Anyhow, deal was done within the week.
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1 minute ago, Athy said:
This is a plan worth pursuing. The rental income on a one-bedroomed flat which we own pays for all our boat expenditure.
I've done my sums and deliberately pessimistically, weighing up having a small leisure boat and keeping my home, and a larger boat to live on and taking on a lodger or renting the house out completely.
Oddly enough, taking on a lodger looks like the best bet. No tax to pay whereas I'd lose 40% if I let the home out. And I've not got the hassle of getting rid of stuff/putting it into storage etc.
And I can check on my home any time I like!
The selling point to lodgers is that essentially they're getting the benefit of home that'll be essentially theirs as if it were privately rented but at a much reduced cost.
2 minutes ago, TheBiscuits said:I heard of one cheeky bugger who offered Eighty Grand less than the asking price on a boat!
I can't take responsibility for that one. But I've heard of lots of new-ish Collingwoods, particularly widebeams, going for a hell of a lot less than the owners have paid for them.
Anyhow, my offer's been knocked back and I now know the price they'll accept, and it's not one I'm going to stretch to I'm afraid.
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In in my mid-30s, my pension pot's worth nothing at all. But I've started to remedy that over recent months and hopefully it'll continue.
Letting my home / getting a lodger will ultimately pay for the upkeep of the boat. That's my justification at least.
Like you say, live for today but still take some responsibility about saving for tomorrow too.
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I'd hadn't considered the inheritence situation to be honest. But what I do find odd is the situation a number of people have mentioned whereby the lack of a foreign holiday this year is going to be subsituted be whacking £50K on a narrowboat. It just doesn't seem to stack. Balance that with the state of the economy too and it all feels odd to me.
But then again what do I know? I don't need a boat to live on, I've already got a home, and this totally undermines the above sentence.
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2 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
It is and at the moment (and pretty much for the last few years) good, reasonably priced boats are selling within hours / day at their asking price.
You can very easily pi?? of a seller by suggesting his boat is tat and not worth what he is asking.
I'm northern, I'm always going to make an offer even if I think the price is right! Why wouldn't I? The worst they can say is no, and that's where the real negotiation begins.
This boat's been up for sale since well before lockdown and not sold within days/hours of the broker opening back up either - so maybe it isn't that good..
Nobody got rich through giving their money away ?
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In my experience, be it cars, homes or boats, there's nearly always room for negotiation but every situation's different.
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Just now, Alan de Enfield said:
The seller will often tell the broker, "don't bother me with ridiculous offers, just say 'no', if one comes in within X% then let me know their circumstances, cash buyer etc and I'll make a decision".
If I were a broker I'd be asking for that in writing! Wouldn't want to be accused of turning away a sale!
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Thanks for the replies.
I've visited ABNB before and was impressed, and I'd heard they don't take on junk. Anyhow, an offer's gone in this morning so waiting to hear back.
If it's not accepted I'll wait for the next to come up. I'm sure the increased recent interest will quieten off soon enough.
In terms of low-balling offers against the asking price and whether they're accepted or not, it all depends on the seller's circumstances. It might be out of necessity and need or any number of reasons, and I guess it's this that'll determine whether or not it's accepted.
Like with selling a home I'm supposing a broker is contractually bound to put forward all offers to the vendor regardless of whether they believe it to be too low.
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1 hour ago, haggis said:
When you see the boat, you will be able to see whether with the hatch open and the canopy off, the end of the bed will be near enough the hatch opening for rain to land on the bed.
I like the fact that it has no furniture in the lounge as you will be able to furnish that bit how it will suit you.
haggis
Thank you
I like it not having fixed furniture too. But maybe that's what's putting off buyers equally.
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Just now, Richard T said:
I don't like the bed with a cupboard over its head - you will crack your head on it. Its also narrow - Ok you are single at the moment but circumstances change!!
This appears to be more in your price range - https://www.abnb.co.uk/boat_pages/3490web/3490abnb.php?BoatID=3490
Have you looked at what Rugby Boat sales have to offer?
A good idea would be to spend a day visiting Whilton, Rugby, Braunston and ABNB and looking at boats in your price bracket. It does seem to be a sellers market at the moment so don't expect to get much of a discount on the asked for price.
Thanks.
I'd need to take a look at the bed setup to see whether it's liveable.
I had a good look around Whilton/ABNB/Braunston much earlier this year so I've a reasonable idea of what I'm after but I'm not being closed mind as to rule anything out.
The boat you've linked to is 60ft, well beyond what I'm looking for - 50ft max, really. And I'd prefer a much more modern fit out too I'm afraid.
It all depends on the seller's situation. If it's somebody in need of a sale they're more likely to grab an offer rather than take the risk of it sitting there, only perhaps to receive another offer albeit weeks/months later.
3 minutes ago, haggis said:Nice looking boat but having all port holes (and no big windows) would make it a "no" for me. Also, I notice that the bed goes right to the steps up to the stern and it might be worth checking that if it rains and the canopy isn't up, that rain doesn't land on the bed.
haggis
Good shout. I'm not too sure how I'd be able to test that though, and that's not me aiming to be a smartarse.
I like the idea of portholes because of the security and privacy aspect but suspect that's putting many people off. That and there's no pigeon box etc to let more light in.
The owner bought it from ABNB 18 months ago and has moved back to land, perhaps suggesting it's not worked out for him, or the boat's got its issues! -
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I've got a refund due on my existing boat, and I'll either swap the insurance I have with GJW over or take out a new policy.
But absolutely, I'd be having a survey and I've allowed for that sort of stuff within my budget too.The boat does look well equipped and is a decent shell. It's now all down to £.
Other boats have come and gone in all the time this has been up for sale which might help with the negotiation.
Re. the stove, I agree, I'd prefer it placed elsewhere. But the rest of the boat's a bit of a blank canvas. I'm assuming because there's no fixed furniture it's not helping the sale - most I suppose must lean towards fixed seating/dinettes etc.
I'm single so I can get away with the bed too.
I'd prefer a trad over a semi but prepared to make a trade-off for a decent shell.
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Hello,
My boat has been in brokage less than a week and has already sold. It's only a 25ft'er but was bought to use for weekends and holidays. At the time I'd considered being a liveaboard but got cold feet and ended up with a newer, smaller boat.
A long story short and I've really enjoyed it, and think maybe life's too short (I'm only in my mid-30s) and want to make a go of living aboard full-time on a larger boat.
I can potentially stretch up to £48K and I'm looking for something that's 40-50ft in length. With my sort of budget I should be able to get something relatively new, well looked after and reasonably equipped.
This caught be eye a while ago and now I'm in a position to buy I'd like to view it. But I'm keen on your thoughts too. The shell is made by somebody with a decent reputation, I understand, and it's got a substantial baseplate - or at least the original thickness was!
I'm not too sure of the grade/source/quality of steels used though and I'd love to find out more on this if anyone can guide me. From everything I've learned so far, it's one of the most important things to note and it's not just about the thickness.
Anyhow, here it is..
https://www.abnb.co.uk/boat_pages/3604web/3604abnb.php?BoatID=3604
Thanks in advance.
Does a new hull need shotblasting? And source of steel?
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Some pedantry going on here. I don't think many would relate Poundland and Aldi with positivity, or it being questionable that you can buy a fully fitted boat for the prices mentioned.
Nobody was unpleasant about Aintree directly, they hadn't been named at the point it was said.
But anyway...