Thanks for getting back to me let me try and explain what I mean. Bare with me a sec, when I was an apprentice I spent my wages and time searching the Internet and carboot sales for old woodworking tools as the quality of machining and material are as good If not better than modern made high end tools only they where a fraction of the price due to the poor condition. I would look for particular brands/tool makers as I knew if I found what some people would regard as a rusty peice of junk I could restore them and have a quality tool for a fraction of the price, I just had to put the work in. So I was wondering if this logic could be applied to boats? Wether there where particular boat builders of the last 30-40 years that were renound for quality craftsmen ship? I keep seeing alsorts of older boats made by different builders but is there makers I should keep an eye out for in particular. Iam looking for a 35-40 foot trad stern I that helps?