Alf Roberts

well, you'd hope so really, blowing up a boat is one thing, blowing up a whole street quite a different barrel of herring

So why, rather than grandstanding in post #18 didn't you just write something helpful like; " make sure you consider the ventilation requirements (you can find them here) and it would be a good idea to fit a CO detector as well" ? You could even have added the sensible advice to get a qualified bod to do it. Then instead of coming across as a curmudgeonly jobsworth you would have made your point, imparted some useful information, reminded the other contributors it was worth considering ventilation and, most importantly you wouldn't be responsible for the OP writing; "I wish I hadn't asked now" Forum sabotage comes about in many more ways that just calling someone a tw*t

As we are galloping off into the realms of the hypothetical I would hazard that if my gas installation caused a court-worthy accident then that would prove that I wasn't competent. If it doesn't it either proves I was competent or lucky.

that's because the op was about pipe work and fittings. if you want us to advise you on ventilation we'll need a bit more information. though I would say it's easily found in the BSS manuals. do you need to be Gas Safe to install a CO detector?

thank you for providing attribution. I would assume the phrase 'for hire or reward' is missini from the quoted passage? ( that is actually a question rather than a statement)

"82 Anyone who does work on a gas fitting or gas storage vessel must be competent to do so (whether or not they are required to be a member of an approved class of persons). Therefore, do-it-yourself gas engineers and those performing favours for friends and relatives all need to have the required competence. The level and range of competence should match the full extent of work done, but needs only to be sufficient for and relevant to that work."

exactly so. there is a very good argument that if brown stuff hits whirly thing that competence is best shown by annual fees to a corporate body but certification doesn't always ensure a competent job neither do their lack necessarily imply incompetence.

interesting read, especially the chart showing the steady increase in leisure boat fatalities over the last decade. "if duffers...." the photo with the lifeboat says it all.

there you have it. your earlier post is an over simplification. He tested the installation, it passed, pressure drop over the short period was effectively nil. I am happy my installation is safe and legal. He didn't 'underwrite' anything but then nobody asked him to. sorry, can't find a link in your posts

it's interesting, re-reading this thread, all the information to design the installation was given on page 1 until mike waded in with a deliberately inflammatory post that sent the thread off in a different direction. The op asked for advice on a straightforward LPG design which was answered. the rest was just so much noise. BSS inspectors make gas checks every day and now you contend that is illegal? if you don't like it take it up with the BSS.

'against the law' is simply more misinformation or, at the very least, over-simplification. for instance a Gas Safe BSS inspector checked my gas install recently. was that illegal?

If you ask about gas on this forum you will, unfortunately, always have to wade through pages of patronising 'how dare you think of doing it yourself sonny, ask a grown up' to get the snippets of information you need. Mike the Boilerman is full of such posturing ( nice word Pete) but never gives away any of his precious jewels of information, preferring instead to try and look clever. One of the dinosaurs who fail to realise that information will always be free. Smiley Pete has indexed the knowledge that the forum has. Many people fit their own gas. Done properly and sensibly, following guidelines, it's fairly easy to achieve a safe and compliant result. The sound of boats blowing up through faulty gas installs is conspicuous in its absence. In the world of plumbing the average narrow boat LPG system is a pretty simple beast. There is also a middle road of doing your own install and getting it checked by a Gas Safe person before switching on if you are at all worried about your abilities.

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If you are talking about me. I have installed 4 cookers in 4 boats for myself. I'm still here. All of them that have needed to have passed the BSC. I have CO detectors so obviously I have got the ventilation right. How do people learn anything technical? They get training from a competent person. That doesn't automatically mean college or regulations or paying £2,000 a year to a bureaucracy. It is possible to learn from peers.

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....because when it comes down to it, it ain't that difficult to plumb in a single cooker in a way that is safe, competent and fits the regulations in force for the job.

Because huge amounts of code are already written in PHP/MySQL and it's already installed on many webservers. (oh and one small word: Wordpress) Which, continuing wildly off-topic, probably means that Postgres is probably a sensible option for a bespoke system coded from scratch but most of us in a production environment need to use frameworks. A framework, to be database independent, making a switch to Postgres feasible, would need all database calls on an abstraction layer. Unfortunately given the large user bases of such frameworks, moving such juggernauts means we end up with MySQL (it does the job) rather than Postgres (it does the job better). I am also a fan of keeping textual content separate from graphic content and, punching above my pay grade, seems to imply MySQL plus a good webserver makes a lighter solution than an integrated database using Postgres.

doh. yes, of course.

nice one Keith. although I take issue with you first post, yes of course you get bad work from professionals but you also get good. (same as the semi-pros)

if you are easily pleased this is true. for professional use you get what you pay for. even on Linux the professional stuff is paid for cPanel for instance without which you can't run a web server is pretty expensive by any platform standard. whoever it was up the thread who suggested a 2011 MacBook Pro was pretty well on the button but stick with Snow Leopard and it will do everything you need. and, incidentally both Windows and Macos are free they come with the machine. life's too short to evaluate Linux distros to find one that does what you need without falling over or a degree level knowledge of computing. with so many variables support is non existent unless, of course, you pay for it if Linux didn't have Apache and MySQL it would have died years ago except for a few geeks who would rather fiddle than use - appropriate for the boating world perhaps.

doesn't posting his diary in here invade his privacy and break forum rules?

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