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Rickent

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  1. 24 minutes ago, cuthound said:

     

    And depth of water  and canal bed profile.

     

    I moor to 4 bollards (fore and aft springs) on a canal with a shallow edge. When boats go past too fast the boat notably sinks and in summer can be beard scraping the bottom. The is little or no fore and aft movement because of the spring lines.

    I agree there are many factors,  but if people moor their boats in the correct way and tie up properly, movement can be kept to a minimum.

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  2. 9 hours ago, nicknorman said:

    The rule is definitely not to always pass boats at tickover, for the obvious reason as you say, that there is a large difference between boats’ tickover speeds. And other factors such as depth and width of waterway, how the boat is tied up and one’s own displacement.

     

    The “rule”, as far as I am concerned, is to pass moored boats such that the passage will not disturb a boat that is reasonably well tied up by the available means.

     

    So narrow, shallow waterway, boat on morning stakes, ones own boat deep drafted = pretty slow.

     

    Wide, deep waterway, boat on permanent mooring on rings etc, = somewhat faster.

     

    So for example if you pass moored boats in the thames at tickover with a tiny egg-whisk prop at 0.5mph, you can expect to be overtaken!

     

    The key point is are you causing moored boats to move excessively? In which case too fast. Or if they are not really affected by you passage then you are not going too fast. The problem can arise when a boat is moored so badly that it does move around a lot - typically due to mooring lines at right angles (or worse, on centre line) and or lines very slack so the boat can build up momentum before the lines snatch tight. I would say that there is shared responsibility - responsibility on you to pass at a reasonable speed and on moored boats to be moored reasonably well. There should not be a race to the bottom whereby boats are moored increasingly badly and passing boats pass increasingly slowly to compensate.

     

    And just to be clear it is about the fore and aft pull of water caused by your passage, not about any wash or wake you are (hopefully not) making

    It really is all about the angle of the front and rear ropes,  on our mooring we have plenty of boats passing all day and we rarely move, even when people don't slow down.

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  3. 1 minute ago, Bewildered said:

    Queue jumping is the most logical reason; having followed a boat that is going unreasonably slow would it then be desirable to follow said boat down a flight of locks. The thinking would possibly be that if the guy in front can’t drive a boat at a sensible speed or move out of they way when clearly signalled how bloody slow is this flight going to be?

     

    even so, forcing your self past on the approach to a lock is not very good.

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  4. 3 minutes ago, johnmck said:

    I would say that between bridges 6 and 11, it would be near impossible to even allow someone to pass. Its narrow, weaves and on a busy canal. Once through bridge 11, you can see the lock and boats waiting. To attempt to make a pass then is tantamount to queue jumping. 

    This point seems to have got lost , rushing to overtake and forcing yourself through on the approach to a lock with boats waiting is very bad form.

  5. 3 hours ago, Richard T said:

    Moor in the first space you get to in Alrewas - it gets busy. Don't think that there may be better ones further on. If all else fails there is usually space above Bagnalls lock. A word of warning about this lock - the bottom gates swing someone needs to hold them shut until a top padle has been drawn. Another word of warning on the Soar about 150m above Ratcliffe lock is a large shoal on the offside it is important to stay on the towpath side as you approach - the prevailing wind will want to blow you onto the shoal!!

    Should be more visible at the moment due to low water levels,  but good advice all the same.

  6. 3 minutes ago, nicknorman said:

     

     

    It seems to me that what actually happened was that he was going pretty slowly, a boat caught him up at bridge 6, he was aware of it but declined to allow it to pass, causing frustration to the boat behind. On getting the lock in sight (last couple of hundred yards) he slowed right down to nearly stationary causing the boater behind to boil over in frustration. If the boat in front is virtually stationary and thus blocking the navigation for a prolonged period, I think it is reasonable for the boat behind to go past.

     

    But as I said, all this would have been avoided if he had let the boat overtake just after bridge 6, but it seems he is one of these people (probably short and with a tiny limp tadger) who thinks that being courteous is a sign of weakness.

    How can you possibly say what happened,  did you witness this? No of course you didn't,  so you are saying it's fine to ram somebody from behind in order to get to a lock with four boats waiting first.

    And the last statement is disgraceful. 

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  7. 1 hour ago, jamesinyk said:

    Pulled over into a line of moored boats?

    It doesn't matter how right you are and how wrong the other boater was you are flogging a dead horse on here trying to get your point across,  you will get snide and nasty remarks whatever you say. This is the reason new members leave as quickly as they arrive, sad really.

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  8. 4 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:

    When the OP has been forced to follow another boat at idle for miles and miles because the boat in front sits in the centre of the canal at idle with the crew looking every way but to the rear and oncoming boats, moored boats and bends make trying to pass unsafe then he may alter his view. Mr Amethyst may have a good reason for wanting to travel at faster then idle and the speed of boats at idle vary so it may well be true that Amethyst had to keep going into neutral to match the OPs speed. Also how well was the OP steering? Was he wandering all over the canal blocking attempts to pass him?

     

    I would suggest that Mr Amethyst could post an account giving a totally different perspective.

     

    I think the OP mentioned blowing the horn - is he aware there are sound signals that cover the intention to pass and did he respond in the right way?

     

    How well did he keep adequate watch astern? Did he move over and signal Mr Amethyst to pass at the earliest safe opportunity?

     

    As others have said this is a one sided report with insufficient details to condemn Mr Amethyst, I suspect it was six or one and half a dozen of the other and with more experience and courtesy form the OP this may never have happened.

    I always make sure I know what is behind me and if someone is going quicker and catching me up I pull over and let them pass.

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  9. 11 hours ago, jamesinyk said:

    New Marton lock 2, Llangollen, climbing. Boat had followed us (closely) from bridge 6. He hit us at the red marker point. 
     

     

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    Are you saying he hit you from behind claiming you were going too slow?

  10. 48 minutes ago, Scholar Gypsy said:

    My third policy covers this ..

     

    ... but subject to this exclusion ...

     

    Wilful misconduct or acts of recklessness by you, or those to whom this policy extends, including but not limited to when under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

    pretty sure his actions would constitute recklessness, looks like somebody has a big bill incoming.

  11. 16 minutes ago, matty40s said:

    Probably the first time I have seen no boats at all at the Hope and Anchor moorings (the Northern Limit of the lockdown area), none at Birstall or Thurmaston, and only 2 at Kilby Bridge.

    It's been empty down there for a few weeks now, there was a couple of boats that had moored there for about six months,  they moved on after crt notices were pinned to the boats.

  12. 1 hour ago, matty40s said:

    Sileby Marina....I will post current price tommorow.....

    Pillocks Lock also do it, but it's a credit card machine that allows no domestic split except for residents on a Saturday morning.

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    Cost me £1.09 at Sawley last month , was gobsmacked but needed it, 10 days later at Dunchurch pools marina it was a more respectable 69p.

    will you be stopping in Barrow?  or shooting straight through.

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