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Even more confusing when it becomes clear that there is a lot of Thames River bank land which is unregistered.
In theory this would default to being under ownership of the navigation authority.
It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out down at Molesey where the EA have done an adverse possession claim followed by the boat owners who have occupied the land for some years fencing off sections of land and presumably making their own claims for adverse possession.
Intriguing situation. It seems to me that this could result in some people ending up owning freehold Thames River bank land for nothing.
That would be a very interesting precedent if it were allowed to happen !
Usually Riverside plots go for £3k a foot or more.
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This is interesting to read as an example of Thames moorings.
The comment that the EA have adopted 24h as an "reasonable time" is intriguing. I guess they can't do that...
https://www.elmbridge.gov.uk/moorings-unauthorised/
There are obviously certain hotspot areas on the River where moorings have become a problem.
Richmond has done a proper byelaw. Over 1 hour on their land = criminal offence.
Other councils will copy this.
Then the problem will fall onto corporations and finally private land owners..
And a lot of currently useable mooring sites will end up being prohibited completely.
Logical outcome.
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2 hours ago, erivers said:
The Thames Conservancy Act 1932, in relation to moorings in the Thames belonging to the navigation authority, (and no subsequent Thames legislation or byelaw has over-ridden this) states that "No charge shall be made for vessels tied up or moored at night or for a reasonable time when not at work unless the traffic of the Thames is thereby impeded." No specific time limit is stated.
It was this clause, when the EA was reminded of it, that stopped their nonsense about having to register arrival at a mooring or be subject to penalties. There is no legislation that permits that.
Thanks for that. I really did think 24h was in the bylaws. Will amend my earlier post.
ETA unable to edit it. Sorry for the misinformation.
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8 minutes ago, Nightwatch said:
We are on the tow path side just before the sharp bend heading into Oxford. Adjacent to Kennington. There are no bollards.
Yes I put in another post as realised where you meant.
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Problem is if it does pull out it will take a substantial part of the bank with it.
Would need to be done well away from the edge.
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I was assuming they were moored bankside not actually on the island itself as that seems to be a private residence.
ETA I'll be down that way in next couple of days will toot as I pass. Grey steel trawler about 30ft long
just dragged it up to Lechlade. Bit shallow but made it just.
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I see where you mean now above Sandford lock on the bend.
No I don't think that's 24hr. It's possible that there were some district enforcement signs around there at one time but they were a load of nonsense.
I moored there a while ago and huge numbers of public descended on the area for swimming and general noise making.
Fingers crossed for bad weather
Handy little co-op just other side of the railway.
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The bylaws state if it is land owned by the navigation authority it is 24hrs.
Private land owners can allow mooring as long as they wish or restrict it.
Councils may or may not have bylaws restricting moorings.
Is Rose island the bit with the mooring bollards along the bank? If so then yes I believe that IS a 24hr mooring as it seems to be EA owned land...
I was told exactly the same thing on that mooring.
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On 16/07/2020 at 13:24, Thomas C King said:
I have a question on generator etiquette, would you normally not run it at all if you are parked within say, ten metres of other boats? We recently re-moored a short distance from our prior mooring so that we could get a usable internet connection for work. We just had a boat neighbor knock asking us to turn our generator off, which we did.
We run it from about 0800 to 1700. It's a Honda EU22i and for me I never expected it to be a problem because after a few metres it just creates a gentle hum. I can see a few general options:
1) Never run the generator near moored boats (and in our case, never moor near boats because this would mean we couldn't work). I suppose we could moor near boats that also run generators.
2) Ask if it's okay to run the generator. I asked a fisherman recently and he was fine with it. On the other hand, someone might politely say it's fine and yet it really bothers them. Or some people might just not want you to talk to them.
3) Run the generator until someone complains. If it's only a minority that would take issue with it, then I can see this as being an option, but I don't like it...
Thoughts?
It is generally considered rude to run a generator close to other boats especially if you have arrived there when they were already moored there and possibly exhibiting signs of enjoying the pleasant weather and surroundings .
Just don't do it
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Exactly. Both of which usually require a generator.
Of course if it was a woman issue then the correct procedure is to practice social distancing in this situation.
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12 minutes ago, nicknorman said:
Part a seems to cover it.
Nuisance. It's not complicated is it.
It seems odd that they have to explain that you must behave considerately to others (boaters and non boaters).
Why do people need to be told to do this??
This seems to be a dumbing down thing.
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I wonder if it might be a woman issue.
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Sounds like a bit of a <word removed> to me.
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My 2011 Beta 90 has a primer on top of the filter housing but looking at the website it looks like the 38 does not have this feature. I guess there is a bleed screw on there and it looks quite accessible in that picture but that is presumably the latest version. It could be quite different on an older unit.
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Not sure if we are allowed to be rude on here but I have always called problematic anglers "fisherwankers" since I first encountered them on the Thames in the early 90s.
I have no objection to anglers in general.
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I was thinking maybe this was the thing that failed.
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Girly button = bow thruster.
If there was a hydraulic system failure it could take out the steering and the bow thruster at the same time if they were both operated from the same power source.
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I like the female voice wailing at the end of that clip. It's like some small children were killed.
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I've not been through it for years so memory might be wrong but I seem to think the lock on the the Dukes cut takes you down from the Thames to the Oxford canal.
ETA I see scholar gypsy has already mentioned this one.
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Listening to other people's infernal combustion engines while their boats are stationary is the worst thing about living on a boat that I have ever encountered. In 25 years living on boats off grid and on grid.
Loud music is bad as well but why the hell do people without a mains power connection need to use so much power? Surely if you wanted that much electric you would arrange your life around systems which provided electricity without requiring other people to suffer the noise.
I suppose it's a cost benefit analysis and at some point other people's comfort becomes irrelevant..
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I remember Hecla in the mid nineties around Braunston.
A washer Josher but a quality one as all of the Five Towns boats were.
So many have imitated but few came close to be fair.
Did not know the man on the boat.
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It'll be a bodge repair like at Denham deep.
Steel work to cover over the rotten parts.
Hopefully this gets followed up by gate replacement but I would not tend to be holding breath about this.
There are a lot of rotten gates about. I wonder if there was an epidemic of bad quality gates in the 90s and early 00s.
Was this something to do with contracting out gate manufscture to someone else rather than keeping it in house ie British Waterways.
They did do some Dutch ones a company called "Wijma" but I think those were mainly the K&A.
GU is another thing but definitely some issues me thinks.
Of course the fact lock gates last about 20 years could have something to do with it.
And changing the collar straps to a threaded nut design rather than the slotted type with hog rings and collar keys could have an effect on heel posts.
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53 minutes ago, bizzard said:
Just a little interlude whilst Layla is absorbing all the above. It's a shame the old art deco Ovaltine factory at Kings Langley has been demolished or you might have had a nice view Layla. It had a big clock tower with a big thermometer on it, both of which you could be read from the train on the west coast main line. My mum always pointed it out to us as we passed it on the way to Liverpool. It was situated between the canal and railway. Ok finished.
I drove past the area a couple of days ago. The big wind turbine by the M25 is where the old ovaltine egg production farm was sited. Now a renewable energy company.
I really like the M25 viaduct there. Much nicer from a boat than a car though !
Gade valley viaduct. Seriously cool bit of work.
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It's good to be confident about the water and coolant being fine at this point.
Thames Moorings
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Posted · Edited by magnetman
To be fair the only bit I know is under dispute is the Riverside (towpath side) above Molesey but I'm sure there are other places where people have never actively used the river bank and it has no "owner".
I can't prove that so maybe my statement was incorrect but I think it's likely to be the case.
This is the story at Molesey
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://thamesriverusersgroup.org/mobicms/pdffiles/viewfile.php%3Fviewfile%3D1564302134-Sunbury-Molesey%20Land%20Registration%20Issues.pdf%26recid%3D82&ved=2ahUKEwjuzprVw-rqAhUyt3EKHdqABZYQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw1gMy0sRHmqQui4vefNAYMv
(Downloads a small pdf)
Maybe I am getting the wrong end of the stick but it appears to me that the "squatting" boats may be awarded freehold of the riverbank they have claimed (by fencing and veg management) in this case.
Or maybe it's a clear cut situation and is basically EA land. Perhaps they could get mooring rights but land still belong to EA.
I know of another similar mooring which has been occupied for quite a long time further up the river but this might just be someone taking advantage of a local authority's lack of powers to control moorings. However I think it might be another unadopted parcel of land.
ETA the term "adverse possession" seems to imply legally transferring ownership without the permission of the owner. So if the EA are doing this then presumably it had been shown that they don't already own it...
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One for Nigel if he is about.