Jerra
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I strongly suggest that if we are to have surveys they should be done by the Canal & River Trust, compiled by people who have been trained in composing unbiased questions, and done using security that prevents the results being manipulated.
Didn't the thank you page say that one of them was trained in such matters?
What makes you think CRT would draw up unbiased surveys?
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I will bump the survey again by saying that while I didn't visit any CRT waters during the period mentioned it would have been nice to be able to read through the questions. Which you can't do unless you fill in an answer first.
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Ms Ash made a good speech on the forum but I have been waiting maybe two or three months for a reply from her. I have no doubt whatsoever that despite gee up emails she will not reply.
I sent Ms Ash a PM over the weekend and have had (again over the weekend) 2 replies (two replies needed because of my lack of abilities with PMing most of the message went missing.).
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Just to add a point of interest about charities and consultation. I have this morning received an email from the RSPB (a charity) inviting me to fill in an on line members survey.
Coinciding with all the discussions on the CWDF I found it interesting that
a. The charity finds it easy and acceptable enough to use electronic means to survey members.
b. It sees fit to consult its members about a slight change of direction which has been noticed.
c. An of course that it has members to consult rather than friends.
Yes I know there is still the discussion about will the survey show anything valuable, will they take notice of what is shown by the survey etc.
However it does show that charities can consult about the direction they are taking and that they obviously at some point in the past felt members was the way to go. Getting the email has reminded me that members are used to raise funds in many ways from straight appeals for special projects through local groups fund raising. Something I feel CRT will miss by not having members.
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A strange definition of a trade union
From my experience fairly accurate. You have perhaps1% of activists and the others benefit. However the difference is the rest of the union have put their hands in their pockets and paid their dues.
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Clearly if just 10% of licence holders took up their free membership that would be a number difficult to ignore.
10% would be roughly equal to the membership claimed by NABO perhaps a little higher.
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I think a good number already do feel marginalised, irrespective of internet based technology that could be used.I started to feel marginalised when CRT made it clear they weren't prepared to listen to boaters who weren't part of an already existng organisation. Also I certainly didn't choose to be marginalised.
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I'm sure every hire company sits their hirers down and lists all of the byelaws to them at the start of each holiday!
No but a couple of sentences pointing out the boat can be dangerous and don't "drink and drive" wouldn't take long and might help.
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I dont see it posible that a single vitamin could service that :-)
The vitamins probably don't but then again as I understand it they don't stand up well to exposure to much heat of any kind for long.
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NBW, in the article which accompanied the survey, said they weren't bothered about multiple voting because both 'sides' could do it.
So why did they take the poll down, surely not because they were scared the result changed from what they wanted it to show.
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Personally, we rarely have a drink at lunchtime. We occasionally have one can each, or share one. We use our shared boat 6 to 8 weeks a year.
We save the boozy bit til we've moored up. Then we crack open the good stuff, or frequent the dwindling numbers of canal side pubs.
Just what I would expect from responsible boaters it is those that aren't I was referring to.
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I think hire companies should be encouraging younger clients. After all they are the boat owners of the future.
Boat hire and boat ownership shouldnt just be a passtime for the older generation.
Very true but it shouldn't be the pastime of anybody who is under the influence of drink or drugs, for their own safety if not the safety of those around them.
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No you didn't dream it, I clearly remember too that certain forum members here were explaining how to vote multiple times.
That doesn't however prove that it was backed by any particular organisation or that the multiple posts if they took place were No votes.
I can think of at least one perfectly acceptable reason for trying to vote more than once. To test the validity of the poll - if you can vote more than once the poll can not be taken as reliable. Just as it can't if it isn't allowed to run a reasonable length of time because somebody says "Oh look its showing what we want now lets bring it to an end".
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What you're suggesting .............
<SNIP>
....................towpath.
As I said, simple politics
So why didn't all this happen with the NT?
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"NABO's growing membership represents over 3000 boaters"
What they certainly don't say is "we have 3000 individual members", and I'm pretty confident they do not.
Some careful use of words here, possibly some twist around some "members" acyually being some kind of corportate membership by some other group, such that 1 NABO membership is being claimed to cover a nmber of boaters collectively?
Just checked the website 4 levels of membership.
Single Member = Full voting member
Family member = member at same address as Single member full voting rights.
Associate Member = no voting rights for those who support the association but don't at the moment actually own a boat.
Affiliated Member = no voting rights for clubs and organisations who wish to support the association.
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I'm not sure how they count numbers, or even convinced they claim 3000 actual members, but I suspect a joint membership is being counted as 2, and very much doubt membership extends to anything like the holders of 3,000 boat licences.
Also don't forget some of their members will be principally on EA waters not CRT waters.
I don't think more than about 1,000 of the circa 35,000 CRT licences will be connected to a NABO membership, (or memberships), so probably no more that 3% representation.
Happy to be corrected if wrong, though!
I have read the figure 3000 on their website today. Can't remember which page but I will have another dig.
EDIT: Next to the last line on this page
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Glad to oblige. I am proud to say I am not mug enough to fall for the rubbish gadgetry that billionaires bring out for the lemmings to buy. You will also find more like me than there are who actualy embrace the rubbish. The problem is it will gain ground as more and more gullible youngsters such as my grandkids 8 of em aged beetween 7 and 22 years of age grow up with it.
Tim
So how are you managing to post this if you don't have at least a computer of some sort?
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I am a navigator,
I thought it was the navigators (navies)who dug the canals.
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I voted No cos having worked in LG any polls that were carried out were usually filed away if they didn't get the answers they wanted. In any case Polls are just a matter of opinion and everyone has a different one
If all polls are filed away and no notice is taken of them how come we have this blank blank government?
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One snag I can see is that your system Dean is it would raise no funds (which are desperately needed), but a membership system would/could. Personally I think the day is fast approaching when much communication will be electronic and trying to fight it will put you on a par with King Canute.
Incidentally I am in my late 60s and my Mother in Law (86) is fully computer literate having her own computer and using my wife's internet when she feels the need.
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You are wrong! - we can't change everything, but we have certainly managed to change some things.
And for that you deserve recognition for your efforts and thanks.
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Yes but part of their problem is "what are NABO policies?".
When looking to join, I tried hard to see what they actually stand for, and (if you like) whether they had stated policies.
That I find amazing. All today's posts mentioning NABO made me decide to have alook at the website. Search box top right hand corner typed in policies and in the list of article with that word in them was at number 5 "Update on NABO policies"
http://nabo.org.uk/reference/nabo/486-update-of-nabo-policies
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My problem is I don't tend to look at the posters details so I am not familia with who has which boat. A list some where of name = boat is what I really need.
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She is represented on this forum. We have very few owners of non-clonecraft narrowboats who participate here
Richard
However that doesn't make the boat intrinsically different to other non narrow boats. It makes the use and the crew different perhaps. Also I seem to read quite a few post which mention their boat making it clear it isn't a narrow boat.
My point being, surely there isn't so much that a non narrow boat would want/need when cruising inland water ways that differs from what a narrow boat would want/need. Is there?
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I found it very useful and thank you. I was replying to the poster who obviously hadn't read that you had training. Personally I prefer to be sure of my facts before I make sweeping statements.
Thank you for your efforts on our behalf (our being all boaters).