Jerra
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There is currently only one collective of boaters that have formulated an association that gives a voice on behalf of their membership. Where is the confusion when there is no alternative to consider. If something better comes along, some time in the future, you then have a choice.
To join or not to join that is the question. Personally as I said in an earlier post if they didn't seem to show such confused thinking I would probably join but while I can't actually fathom what they stand for -no chance.
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The only form of hobbling I have come across is a way of restricting the movement of horses legs so they can't run so I would assume a hobbler is either the equipment to do it or the person putting them on. However I have only ever heard them referred to as hobbles.
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This behaviour can, apparently, be observed after dark in the Brighton area.
A greeno to you for teaching me the word "gralloch". Is it Scottish?
I have mainly heard it applied to removal of the intestines out on the hill (deer shooting). However as far as I know it is applied to the removal of the intestines "in the field" of any animal. As a youngster we used to gut rabbits as soon as we caught them but not being refined called it gutting.
The origin as you suspect is Scottish well Gaelic actually from grealach - intestines.
Edit:to add a missing word.
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There is this "disconnect" that not many wants to talk about - I assume that it's just zoned it out.I suspect that for a large part of the population there has always been a disconnect between the animal and the food. Not saying this is exactly the situation but I can imaging primitive tribes the menn do the hunting the women do the butching.The women are disconnected from the killing and the men from the butchery apart from possibly gralloching.
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That's like saying speeding fines are an extra charge on the average motorist. Even if you interpreted it like that, you can see that the thrifty motorist/boater has an easy way to 'avoid' these extra charges.
As has been discussed here many times CRT can not fine legally. There is a difference between a fine and a charge. Perhaps I am being to literal in my interpretation of applying a charge but my thought process goes something like this.
Apply means in this context means something along the lines of making a request. The over staying fee is a charge not a fine (see above) and a fee for over staying is in plain English not fine but a charge being applied,which they say they don't support.
I had hoped somebody from NABO would have been able to explain this as it is one of the stumbling blocks in my deciding to join. I will be honest I would not join an organisation that appears to have such "woolly" thinking. I was hoping they could show me it wasn't woolly after all.
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Did CART ever register the logo as a trade mark? I know they tried to but it received objections from other swan type logo owners.
My understanding is that even if you don't copyright things your original £intellectual property" is protected and people should not be copying it.
Just as you shouldn't copy a photograph and use it.
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I'm not a member but I assume it means they are opposed to charging for visitor moorings, ie....24, 48 hr etc where they are currently free, and in favour of charges for overstaying on them. Pretty fair.
You may be right but to me an over staying charge is a "charge being applied"
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I would feel guiltier if I did not eat them, as I would be depriving my body of the balanced diet which humans should have.
Not to mention depriving them of life - many animals would not exist if not bred to eat.
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Appreciated. I was under the impression that towpath users paid the canal upkeep as part of their council tax. Where does this money come from?
Non towpath users and boaters pay as well through the government grant from taxes (how long that will continue beyond the current agreement is anybody's guess).
So boaters are paying a fee to use the canal on top of their tax towpath users aren't.
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TBH that's the reason I stopped eating meat. I could not logically defend it.
My only defence would be man has the dentition and digestion of an omnivore and so I (my personal take on it) believe that we are designed for meat and veg. As a result I would be very loath to either not eat meat or for that matter turn to "artificial meat" until it was proved to be nutritionally exactly the same as "real" meat" (including to trace element and vitamin level).
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I guess boaters issues over this stem from the fact that we pay to be on the cut (fair enough!) AND we also pay the towpath upkeep share as well.
So from a boaters point of view to hear that our concerns suddenly fall on deaf ears is a bit of a kick in the teeth. Surely you must agree that some people might want to voice their concerns over this ?
AS it is estimated boaters pay less than 1/3of the income I am not sure how we are paying the towpath users share as well. I would agree a way needs to be found to raise some income from other users.
I am sure boaters want to voice their concerns over things (as I do) but I think Cotswoldman and others are taking a safer way forward.
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What we can lose is money and lots of it - or large numbers of voters.
If CRT notice and go to litigation which they well might if they get annoyed enough it could be very costly. Once the logo has been used removing it may not satisfy them or they may want to make an example of somebody.
Just my view you don't have to agree. However Ratner is a good example of how easily and swiftly little things can turn the tide against you.
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A couple of points. First I am prepared to be corrected but I don't think you can use the logo without permission.
Second the Ratner effect is something to seriously consider. There was a Ratner's on almost every street corner and look how well they are doing now.
Be careful be very very careful he never thought a single sentence in a speech to an invited audience would bring him down.
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Just to show my ignorance are lines made from rope?
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And I live in Wales, I have no concept of the free carrier bag you speak of......
I am not convinced stopping supermarkets giving out carrier bags free will reduce the use of plastic bags. Most people I know use the carriers for something such as bin liners, as a result they end up having to buy them rather use a bag.
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Every thing working OK for me.
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Just the one.
Thank you for taking the time to let me know.
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Just not enough boaters spending enough money spread amongst the canal side pubs across the country to sustain them alone.
I didn't ever suggest they did alone. I suggested they were the difference between make and break. I know many businesses (admittedly not canal side)where tourism makes the difference between staying afloat (if you will pardon the pun) and going under.
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very few if any I would suggest. There is just not enough people even with hirers to sustain a pub all year round.
I was thinking more of them as the make or break between profit and loss just as tourists are in many areas.
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I don't think you can claim canal side pubs in that though as they will have a significant amount of non boater customer base.
It would be interesting to know how many waterside pubs would close without the boaters patronage.
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I have arrived at this thread late and am surprised that nobody has mentioned that it is possible to use reed beds for the purification of grey water.
I would have thought there was enough waterside vegetation to aid in the purification.
Having said that I have a friend who before he retired worked for the EA testing water pollution incidents and he did feel it would help if everybody (even at home) used low phosphate eco cleaning products.
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I have seen quite a few odd birds walking around Ely, some appear to be in poor body condition, others quite the contrary.
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Perhaps somebody who is a member of NABO can do some clarification fo rme.
Point 8 in the NABO policies begins by saying "NABO is opposed to charges being applied to visitor moorings." and near the end of the paragraph says "Where a vessel overstays the advertised mooring period, NABO will support the application of CRT’s charges,"
As a share boater the prospect of over staying charges worries me, as either I can't easily plan my cruise in advance (not knowing where others may have stayed) or plan and risk an overstaying charge.
It seems a strange policy to oppose something in one part of the paragraph and support it a line or two lower down.
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Hang on I don't want to be a wet blanket but only the other day there was consternation at the idea of using modern technology to communicate because a lot of boaters didn't have/use it.