Ronni

1940's Dorman 2D Engine for sale complete with kingfisher gearbox Originally powered a lighthouse and currently aboard a Narrowboat. Will be available from end of August. Offers in the region of £2500. Reason for sale is overfueling, possibly diesel pump. Has had new valves and guides, injector nozzles and top end rebuild. Runs beautifully unless on tick over which is when it smokes. For more info contact Ronni on 07958001902

I completely agree and am working towards soing just that. :0)

I agree, especially as their reason for closing them is aparently 'misuse'. I dont theink they realise that there just arnt enough elsons along the river, and they are being put under more and more pressure as more boaters are coming along. I have taken to emailing BW everytime I have to get upto my elbows to pull out dog walkers poo bags, or fishermans rubbish. Instead o9f calling them out, as if I were to report the problem, the same thing could occur at fields weir 'due to misuse'. I just wish boaters would lock the damn thing after using it. I even had to clean dog poo off of the lock!! Can you beleive it!!! There should be a clear sign above the elson - THIS IS NOT A BIN!!! And speaking of bins - we have lots of lovely new black rubbish bins along the stort and lee with a friendly BW notice NOT FOR BOATERS USE. The rubbish point at fields weir has been closed, so that problem will also escalate all along the river if adiquate rubbish facilities are not provided. I have even taken to picking up litter whilst I walk my dog, as anything that is dropped outside my boat, or near to me is associated with boaters as we are always there (I hasten to add here that I have PAID for a winter mooring and am perfectly entitled to be here thank you). The men at the local dump, which technically I shouldnt use as I am not a resident think I am a mad woman!!! Actually, they are probably right? lol

I completely agree with you, I think they are so used to being left alone they are in shock. Rightly or Wrongly, it would seem, following conversations that have occurred on here that our part of the river has been dealt with differently to the rest of the network, which is no fault of ours. The fact that BW have chosen to 'enforce' and I use that word very lightly the rules here differently has caused quite an extreme reaction now they all of a sudden have decided to do their job. I suppose the question that occurs to me from this is, can they all of a sudden decide to enforce a law that they have basically ignoored since 1995. That is if the 1995 Act is a law. Also , in answer to your question to Carl, I was reading the 1995 act yesterday and it states: (ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances. BW current interpratation of that is: The boat travels widely around the waterway network without staying in any one place for more than fourteen days (or less where local BW signs indicate a shorter period). Please read our Mooring Guidance for Continuous Cruisers (see below). You must be engaged in a genuine, progressive journey (cruise) around the network or a significant part of it. It is your responsibility to satisfy us that you meet this requirement. In submitting your licence application, you undertake to comply with this Guidance. This is designed to ensure that moorings along the line of the waterways do not become congested, and that temporary moorings are available for cruising boats. And I assume if the neighborhood thing goes through, they will change the word place to neighborhood.

LOL - no Gary!!! That was a joke I didnt get, wasnt it :0( I have to go, my battery is just about to die on me xxx Night

Well thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions, I am sure others will have comments to add tomorrow and I look forward to seeing them. lol - my mates got a lime green boat!

So why does that other fella think it does?

So what power does s43 of the Transport Act give them? And what would you do in our position? What happens if we tell them at the meeting, this is illegal, we are just going to ignoor your proposal and move as far as we like every 14 days. Put that in your pipe and smoke it lol Could they refuse us licences next year for unpaid fines and not following the neighborhood rules? There are so many opinions about the legality of all this, head hurts.

That was the general consensus of opinion at a pre Public Meeting meeting we had tonight, there is so much confusion amongst boaters and they are all panicing that there isnt enough time for them to work out what they want and get it to BW, they think they have to tell BW everything on Monday some didnt even understand the proposals, I have to admit I didnt realise the 'progressive journey throughout the network' was law, or is it my head hurts!! I am still buzzing form the meeting lol

Still confused, why is it like dropping a bomb? Perhaps I am just tired lol - perhaps I should go to bed lol What the quote?

So they can basically word it how they like to suit themselves then? Do the board have to get authorisation from someone else to change the wording? I am still pretty confused, if they can't legally do what they are doing, ie now defining 'neigborhood' why are they blatently doing it? Would you explain what you mean by it goes way beyond the letter and spirit of the law? Also, in the quote from Robert Jones, what is the Bill he is referring to, is that what it is called before it became an act? Again, not making any point, or being picky, just trying to understand and appreciating the help

Could you explain that again for me please, I dont know or understand who the board are. Also, why does BW's interpratation of sec17 say : The boat travels widely around the waterway network without staying in any one place for more than fourteen days (or less where local BW signs indicate a shorter period). Please read our Mooring Guidance for Continuous Cruisers (see below). You must be engaged in a genuine, progressive journey (cruise) around the network or a significant part of it. It is your responsibility to satisfy us that you meet this requirement. In submitting your licence application, you undertake to comply with this Guidance. This is designed to ensure that moorings along the line of the waterways do not become congested, and that temporary moorings are available for cruising boats. When the actual Act says: (ii)the applicant for the relevant consent satisfies the Board that the vessel to which the application relates will be used bona fide for navigation throughout the period for which the consent is valid without remaining continuously in any one place for more than 14 days or such longer period as is reasonable in the circumstances. Where does 'genuine progressive journey around the network or a significant part of it' come from? I am not trying to make a point, I just dont understand how BW can add stuff in, are they the board?

I have to admit, I thought you were having a go at me at the start of our conversation, but I have to admit you are making a lot of sense and have highlighted things I hadnt thought of so thank you for that. Night xxx

You are right in what you say, and I take onboard your comments, and have learned so much in the last couple of days I think my head might explode in the night. I am getting tired and the brain is slowwing down, so I think I will sleep on it and re read it all tomorrow. Cheers for the chat though. :0)

Whats it like where you are then? That is true, I cant argue with that. We are planning to venture forth in the spring, we havnt been able to previously, but family circumstances have changed and we are free to roam where we want to now. So you never know, I might make it off the Lee this year anyway.