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Surveyor said it's definitely a Gary Gorton Hull. It has little hearts cut out at the top of the rudder, and in the hull at the bow as drains. He also says the quality of the construction is also indicative.
The RCD paperwork also confirms it, with a Blackwater Meadow fit out.
Looks like it was a good deal, and it's now all ours!,
Thanks for all the info
Richard
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Turns out it's a 4.14
Surveyor said it looked fine, just needed a service and possibly the injectors cleaned.
It's ours now so I can have a close look tomorrow... Exciting stuff!
In presume the parts etc. are different to the 4.15/4.17 - Dave?
Thanks to all for the info so far
Richard
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Can anyone suggest a good mobile engineer that could come & advise us of a problem we might have with our stern tube? We are in the Burton On Trent area.
Many thanks
Sue
Somebody mentioned someone called The Boat Doctor in the area on another thread.
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Having almost bought a boat, my next purchase will be a portable suitcase generator. However, storage is obviously an issue, both the generator and the fuel.
We could eventually have a couple of steel boxes welded to the cruiser stern, with holes built in for the fumes to exit, ( the boxes would also be handy as seats), but I would like the generator for our delivery trip, and don't want to rush the steel box construction, so.......
If I bought a Honda EU20i with the LPG conversion, I could sit it in the well deck at the bow, connect it to a gas bottle, run a cable to the 240v shoreline connector at the stern. I'm thinking that this is much safer than having petrol fumes floating round, and almost as safe as it gets - any flaws?
Richard
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Is that including moorings? I priced up Bridgewater a couple of years ago and it was about 800 for a 58 foot boat combining the two IIRC.
Not as far as I'm aware. But I'm just relaying what was said. It will be good if I, or they, are wrong!
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At our club interview this evening, it turned out that one of the committee had just been made aware of next years charges.
We were told that our Bridgewater licence for 2012 will cost just short of £1000 for our 45ft boat, and someone with a 57ft boat was told just over £1000. I think a 22ft boat was just over £500.
Apparently they have increased by 5%
I may have misheard, but I don't think so.
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Good News!
We've been interviewed, albeit fairly briefly, and have been accepted as members. We now have a 45ft berth at Stretford, and somewhere to have a drink and talk about boats
Now we need our survey to go well tomorrow, or we'll have a mooring but no boat
In passing, we were advised that our Bridgewater licence for 2012 will cost just short of £1000 for our 45ft boat, and someone with a 57ft boat was told just over £1000. I think a 22ft boat was just over £500.
Apparently they have increased by 5%
Cheers,
Richard
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They break.
Thanks for the comprehensive list!
Should make life simpler if it is a 4.15, (it's a 2001 boat, so unlikely to be the later model, unless it's been replaced).
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The boat we hope to buy is described by the broker as having a Vetus 41 engine, but I cannot find any reference to this exact model anywhere here, or by googling.
I'm wondering if it is likely to be a Vetus 4.15 or one of the other variants of the Vetus 4.
It may seem a bit rash to have offered for a boat without all the specifics, but we are here we are. I'm going to have a closer look at all the things I gave scant attention to on Friday, si I'll get myself up to date then. Might be able to speak with the surveyor after the survey aswell. Exciting times!,
Wanted to start looking for oil and fuel filters, alternator and cam belts, impellers etc.. to put together a spares list and source them. I'd like to change what I can before our trip, and hv a couple of spares of each to be on the safe side.
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I'm intrigued. Have we already met?
No, but I'm sure we will. Phil and Tracey of My Girl at Watch House said we should buy stuff from you, and I've seen your messages on here over the past year or so, so I know where you are based, and what you do
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When did you make your first offer? Did the seller reject it, or did the brokers say it was too low?
When did you make your second offer? What's the asking price, and what's your offer?
If we're talking a couple of weeks, then if the seller is on holiday, he's on holiday. No doubt he'll pick up loads of messages when he gets back, and you'll get a response.
If we're talking more than a couple of weeks, perhaps there is something fishy going on - might be the seller not communicating, or might be the broker..... Whichever, you could be flogging a dead horse, and might be best walking away...... There's always another boat.
BTW not sure why stuff on the boat is an issue..... They might still be using it... It might be sold with all the stuff - if you don't want it, bin it?
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Pie Eater - the meeting was arranged in the bar on Saturday night. We've already looked into each others eyes
We're hoping it is a rubber stamp exercise, but still can't help being nervous.Liam - your name has already been mentioned as the best source for diesel, coal, and wood, amongst other things.... Which I already knew anyway! We have a couple of friends at the club, so have seen the improvements, and the hard work of the past few weeks on the new "patio and barbecue area".
Thanks to all for the replies
Richard
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Janet and I have an interview for membership of the Watch House Cruising Club at Stretford, Manchester on Thursday evening!!
Been told there is no need to be nervous, but can't help it!
Fingers Crossed
Richard
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Seems that a boat I am buying was built by Blackwater Meadow Boatbuilders, rather than Gary Gorton.... Which is what I was told by the broker
Anyone know if Blackwater Meadow built good boats?
I know of one Hallmark boat that is advertised at Aqueduct Marina as fitted out by Blackwater Meadow, which is a bit disconcerting.
Many Thanks,
Richard
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Just had a look on Jim Sheads site and a search reveals that the boat was Built by Blackwater Meadow, with no mention of Gary Gorton. The broker actually said that he was told by the owner that it was built by Gary Gorton, so that is what he tells people.
Any connection between Blackwater Meadow Boatbuilders and Gary Gorton?
The Plot Thickens
Richard
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Is that £450 the full cost, and if not, how much more will oit cost to have it taken out of the water, please ?
I think when comparing survey costs people often don't make it obvious if it is just the surveyors fee, or what it will cost them in total.
(Also interested why you went for higher quote - if you can say publicly).
Alan and Alan,
The higher quote was from Steve Hands, who is recommended in several posts here. The cheaper was from Mike Chadwick in Nottingham, who isn't mentioned here, ( he is now
)In the absence of a response from Steve Hands at about the same time, I would have used Mike. He is a YDSA affiliate, and my experience of YDSA has been good with yachts. Felt a bit guilty turning his offer down, but you can only use one surveyor.
I had also perceived that a full survey was going to cost around £600 + VAT, with a few hundred more for the lift, so £450 seemed good value.
Lift out and refloat at Simtech Marine, Barton Turns is quoted at £185 + VAT, but I have seen figures quoted here of £250 or so in various places.
HTH
Richard
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Boats are not like houses some sellers put a realistic price on while for some it is a wish list. You are in a barter position and it is your money to give away or save.
Not dissimilar to houses in my experience..... Which is quite extensive, (houses, not narrow boats
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Steve is surveying our boat on the 22nd. He gave his daughter away yesterday at her wedding and is having some time off. Thats probably why you cant get in touch.
Hi Darren,
All became clear in an email from him this afternoon. I've booked the lift out and survey for next Friday
Thanks to all for the help.
Richard
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Hi, can anyone give me some more info on boat surveys please.
What is covered in a survey/ what kind of information do you get?
I have heard of a hull only survey, is this considerably cheaper and is it worth considering or would it be foolish not to have a full survey?
Approx. how much is a full survey/ hull survey? Is there a way to work out approx. how much it will cost depending on the size of the boat? Is the price about the same for a nb and a grp or considerably different?
Thanks!
I've just booked a full survey on a 45ft cruiser in the Midlands - £450 inclusive. It would only have saved about £50 if I had only had a hull survey. Another surveyor quoted £375 for a full survey.
HTH
Richard
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I hope he will get in touch, but Steve Hands hasn't responded in 24 hours, despite an email and a couple of phone messages. Of course, he may get in touch tomorrow or Monday.
Another surveyor recommended by the broker, Iain Jones, is busy until 28th Sept.
Can anyone recommend a surveyor from further afield, even if we might have to pay travel expenses?
The yard can lift a week on Monday, so we'd like it done then if possible, so we can get her back to Manchester before the weather gets bad
Many Thanks
Richard
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Great replies, and good advice. We've got a headlamp so that should be OK. I've got BW keys etc. on my To Do list, but good to be prompted on the anti vandal one/s.
The boat is licensed until November I think. I presume this will transfer to me, but how do I get the various keys and things?
Thanks again,
Richard
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Made an offer today that was accepted on a boat at Barton Turns Marina. Should be surveyed end of next week or early the following week and not expecting any serious problems.
Then we have to get her to Stretford, Manchester, where we hope to have a berth sorted out in time.
We've sailed from the UK to Malta and back, amongst other things, but this narrow boating fills me with trepidation..... What with locks and swing bridges and tunnels etc.
I guess we'll be experts after the inaugural trip, with 66 locks, a few tunnels, and stuff in a 6 - 8 day trip.
I've done a route on Canal Plan.... 6 days to Middlewich one week, then a couple of days to Streford the next, but wonder if anyone is aware of any stoppages on the way. It's all Trent & Mersey to The Bridgewater as far as I can tell.
Many Thanks,
Richard
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Hi folks,
We're about to take the plunge and buy a narrowboat to live on.
We'd like to gauge what the average 'accepted' price for a boat is compared to the 'asking price'. This would help us understand the real cost of boats.
For example a 1992 trad in good condition with a popular layout but lots of miles on the clock. Asking price £40k :-)
Ta in advance...
Most boats we've been interested in, we have been thinking of offers of much less than asking price, ( 20% to 25% less in most cases), although we didn't actually make any cause they went under offer before we made our minds up.
Today, we offered the asking price for a boat which felt it was as good as others we had seen, and the asking price was much less.
The answer is that it depends - mostly on the actual asking price.
There might even be some boats where you would consider paying more than the asking price, particularly if there were a few bids at the same time.
I would suggest not thinking that all boats are always worth less than the asking price, or that all sellers will have to negotiate if they want to sell.
Good Luck with your venture, id like to do the same thing one day.
Richard
If you look at quite a few boats, you will see a variety of prices for similar boats, and you should get a feel what is a good deal or not.
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Hi , and thanks,
Steve Hands has been recommended by the broker, which always makes me a bit wary, (in the house buying Market, rather than boats).
I guess if he has been seen to be harsh on a boat being sold by a broker recommending him, he can't be biased.
Who was the broker who recommended him... We are buying through Simtech Marine at Barton Turns Marina.
Any other suggestions?
Many Thanks
2000 Hallmark, or 1987 Colecraft both about £26k & 45ft
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We've bought a boat!, 2001 Gary Gorton hull/Blackwater Meadow fitout...... £18k
The surveyor said if we didn't buy it, he would. I think we got a good deal, due entirely to the quick education available here!
Our adventures begin tomorrow
Richard