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Top one - Cosgrove, taken from just up the Buckingham Arm looking north up the main line? If I'm right, the lock would be just out of shot on the top right.
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Not just padlocked - there seem to be more and more boats round these parts with so much stuff in the well deck (particularly bikes) that you couldn't open the bow doors from inside anyway.
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What's the solvent in Coflex? If it's the same as Comastic (Xylene) and I think it is, then the whole lot (paint included) will end up looking like you threw paintstripper at it.
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It's never been accepted practice to leave gates open at Hillmorton - or at least not in the eyes of the OCC or BWB.
After the retirement of the last employed lock keeper (Mr Payne IIRC) then the job of making sure at least the bottom locks were watertight fell semi-officially to the occupants of Canal House - 'cos back then people cared about everybody else's boats moored in the pound and didn't want them sat at silly angles with snapped ropes in the morning.
Gates being left open "because it's traditional" seems more prevalent (at least to my memory) now than it was in the 1970s - yet pretty well every boatman's skill, especially in respect of working boats and locks quickly and efficiently, seems to have almost completely died out.
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Don't forget they are adjustable.
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21 hours ago, ditchcrawler said:
This one looks nicer IMO if you are going to see it https://boatlamps.co.uk/collections/screw-type-replacement-led-lamps/products/e27-bus-golf-ball-style-high-output-led-lamp
Same style fitting from Bedazzled for comparison: https://bedazzledledlighting.co.uk/product/es-24-led-golfballcover/
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Another vote for Bedazzled: so far I haven't found any others that are as efficient in terms of Lumens per Watt.
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The BSS used to inspect/condemn based upon the dates - and there were howls of protest from boaters about perfectly serviceable hoses being condemned.
On a more practical note, the hose is made in batches and quite frequently we will receive "new" pigtail assemblies from our supplier with hose that is already over 12 months old. As per manufacturer's guidelines, so long as the hose has been stored properly (ie in a cool place and out of sunlight) this is not an issue.
What matters is date into service, and how they are treated thereafter.
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Whatever it is (a Bird class push tug on steroids?), it has the look of Gloucester Repair Yard about it.
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The design also looks very similar to one of the Oxford Canal Co's maintenance flats.
I wonder what the power plant was, and what, if anything, they'll do with it?
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The Hillmorton Section gunnite boat in the mid 50s was a Royalty class - looks like George to me in these photographs: http://collections.canalrivertrust.org.uk/bw200.1.72.29
I'm sure my grandfather also referred to Prince as one of "his" gunnite boats which says it would have been somewhere on the old Warwick district as well - possibly also Hillmorton section but in the 60s as he did move there until 1961.
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I can answer this one
The yard at Hillmorton was the O.C.C's (latterly B.W.B's) maintenance yard. My family moved from Yiewsley to 5, The Locks in 1962 when my grandfather, A. V. Grantham MBE was appointed as Area Engineer for what was then known as the Warwick District. Canal House, as it is called, had been the Oxford Canal Company's Engineer's house, and it came with the BWB Area Engineer's job. The only access was by foot over Br. 70, which according to the O.C.C. length books was un-named.
The first reference to Br.70 as "Grantham's Bridge" was in the first edition of the Nicholson's cruising guides. It came about because my grandfather was the proof reader for this area, and author added the name in for a joke to see if he was paying attention. He did indeed spot it, smiled, and left it there assuming the editor would remove it, but somehow it made it to print and seems to have become fact.
No-one who ever lived or worked at The Locks that I knew in the 25 years I lived there called it anything other than its number, or "the bridge over the arm". I only found out about it when I was browsing through a Nicholson's in my teens, and I'd lived there since I was born in 1973. At which point I went and asked my granddad, and was told it was no more than a slightly embarrassing mis-print!
There's no link I'm aware of between our family or any of the boating Grantham's - but I'd be interested to know if there was one.
hth,
Anthony Grantham
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9 hours ago, StephenA said:
50 metres according to the BBC
Can't imagine that they'll dive on it to try to find out why it sank so suddenly......
You cynic you - I thought it was just me!
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They make good push tugs you know, keep cutting!
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The "lining up thingy" looks to me just like a bit of steel tacked on to support a plank to stand on.
I can see the sense of cutting bits with the boat afloat next to the bank, where you can get the forklift to it easily to take the scrap away rather than having to handball it out of the dock, and the cost of craning her out would be £****.
I could never agree with a GU boat being scrapped though, no matter how bad it was.
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There's three possibilities (assuming the drain plug is done up) for oil leaks on a PRM150 - input shaft seal, output shaft seal and selector shaft seal. The last of those is a relatively quick job (15 minutes if the access is good) which can be done in situ, the other two require the gearbox to be removed and if it's the output shaft seal, dismantled.
With the engine stopped, cooled down etc, follow the control cable to the selector lever on the back of the gearbox, and run your finger round under/behind the lever - if it's dry, the it's not that one.
Repeat under the output flange where the box joins the shaft coupling. You can'ts get the the front one as it's in the bell-housing.
The other possibility is a leaky oil cooler - but that normally fills the box with water which promplty turns into "mayonnaise".
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Good luck finding an air duct on an STW3 Richard ?
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Buying a wooden boat is the easy bit - funding the ongoing repairs is expensive, and don't expect to get a fraction of that money back when you sell it.
As someone who had a wooden boat once said to me "Living on a wooden boat is great so long as you can accept it's always trying to sink underneath you." To be fair his maintenance was at the praying and hoping end of the scale, but they are an almost all consuming hobby in their own right so if you just want a home, buy something steel.
Given that she appears to be a "big Ricky" butty, which is now motorised and converted I'd be doubtful of the existence of many "original features"
Pete Harrison of this forum will be able to provide some more insight into the history.
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That's about £61k in today's money.
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8 hours ago, bizzard said:
The hull looks like Rugby boat builders.
Yes, for sure - see my post above. Rugby Boatbuilders hulls were built by Boughton Products.
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I'd go with air cooling inlets as they were generally fitted with Lister S-range engines.
Most of the Napton fleet I remember were SUC or Harborough built, but Lutine Bell, Banbury Naviigator and the one in Graham & Jo's pics above are definitely Boughton Products hulls (as used by Rugby Boatbuilders).
As said further up the cabin style is definitely not that of Rugby Boatbuilders wooden or fibreglass tops which were a more traditional shape.
The top as fitted to Lutine Bell looks a lot more like a Teddesley style fibreglass cabin to me.
I'd always though that Boughton only built for Rugby Boatbuilders, but maybe not. Given the proximity of Napton to Boughton Products (in Rugby, down Boughton Road, amazingly enough) and the then owner of Teddesley (Peter Jones) living in Dunchurch I can envisage a link.
Off topic: Boughton Products carried on as general fabricators long after they gave up boat building, and the owner later ended up working for G&J Reeves at Napton IIRC.
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The seller has two slides of the josher butty, which must be a maintenance boat from the condition of it.
There was a scruffy josher butty on Hillmorton Section still in FMC colours in the 50's. A passer by gave me a photo of it moored on our wharf taken from up the drive by his father.
I think the other photo could be taken from on top of bridge 30 looking south.
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I had exactly the same dilemma today when passing a boat moored at Hall Oaks Wood. Trad stern, doors open, hatch pulled to with a suitcase generator sat on the footboard with exhaust pointing towards the deck.
A slight change of wind and the fumes would be blown back into the cabin.
I kept quiet too - not least because I was moving one of the hireboats, so my unsolicited opinion/advice would likely be even less welcome than usual.
It seems the Boat Safety Scheme's current push on the dangers of CO from petrol engines has not yet reached out to all those who need warning.
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We do include fuel in the hire price and our fillers are all locked to prevent theft - it happens, particularly to hire boats and in the most unlikely places.
The key for the locking filler is on the boat key ring - vital if the boat is on an extended cruise.
"Don't forget that a narrowboat can turn tighter when accelerating, so starting slow then accelerating will do it." - nope, as speed picks up the rate of turn decreases.
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Unidentified RCHS Weaver Collection Images
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Bottom one (which wasn't visible when I first posted) is definitely Hillmorton with the steam dredger and what looks like the ex-OCC spoon dredger tucked right in the corner. The joey has a 50/50 chance of being "Pathfinder".
I believe Trevor Maggs was involved in towing the steam dredger away from Hillmorton after its sale, so I wonder if this is a photo of the occasion?