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It's a Fenner - possibly type HRC.
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It was built by the Oxford Canal Company at approximately the same time as the puddle banks (1828/29) and I'm sure it was a lengthsman's house. There is a flood paddle and weir just the other side of the turnover bridge, plus a very large embankment for him to keep an eye on. All the big OCC embankments originally had houses near them and all bar one (at Nettle Hill, again with no road access) survive.
The wharfinger title seems to have been used to cover any number of canal company employee job descriptions - the toll collector at Stretton Stop was similarly described. There was no road access up to that property, so I can't see it being much use as a wharf, and the house is too far back from the towingpath and the wrong architectural style to be a toll house. The building in the garden was originally part stable and part drop plank store.
The toll houses covering the Braunston pound were the Stop House in Braunston for traffic from the south, Hillmorton Middle Lock to the north (now sadly demolished), Calcutt Top Lock (Calcutt Boats property these days - tolls were never collected at Wigrams afaik) and Marston Doles Top Lock (for where I have one of the toll registers if anyone ever wants to see it) to the west.
The OCC spent a fair bit of money on their properties over the years and particularly it seem in the early 20th Century. The one I grew up in had been extended (and significiantly altered internally) at least three times, though they drew the line when they discovered the then occupant (the company engineer) was having the back garden levelled to make a tennis court using company labour and materials! 100 years later it still has a change level at the point he was sacked......
After the Johnsons moved out of the house at Braunston Turn in the early 2000s it was unoccupied for a while before being sold off by BWB, still with no vehicle access.
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8 hours ago, Bargebuilder said:
We all sign declarations when we buy red diesel, so the authorities must have some way of checking, don't they?
But has anyone ever been inspected?
Yes - twice.
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According to the rep, they've also just invested in 90,000 new 6kg cylinders. He didn't mention 13kg, but then again he could perhaps see I was cross enough about the 3.9 being phased out,
To be fair, for cooking 6kgs are adequate and easier to handle, but no 13kgs would be the end of gas c/h on boats. Flogas are only 11kg, and so three of those equal only 2.5 Calor 13kgs, which isn't enough for an Alde on a cold week on a hire boat (i.e. boiler flat out and cabin doors wide open both ends..)
Cost-wise I don't even want to think about running an Alde on 6kgs, never mind the small issue of the max. evaporation rate.
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According to our Calor rep. on his last visit, Calor are phasing out the 3.9/4.5kg cylinder in the next few years.
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1 hour ago, davidg said:
I wish I shared your optimism. Can't find the link right now but there is a lovely quote form the fireman on a railway (Amerton maybe?) trialling ecoal at the weekend to the effect that the plastic bag it came in would burn better than ecoal. Wouldn't fancy romping up Sylfaen bank with the regulator in the roof courtesy of my son,* which we did yesterday, on something like that😁
*I did say we had plenty of steam so get it used.
I'm aware there are decidely mixed results with "fake coal" on proper (and even flea gauge) railways, but I suspect the boiler in President will be easier to manage and more tolerant of anything other than welsh steam coal than a loco boiler - plus it'll give the butty a purpose carrying all the bl**dy ash!
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Based on trials on some std, narrowgauge and miniature railways, I imagine President et al. will steam well enough* on the likes of Ecoal, Widlfire or Trevithick Ovoids.
* They probably won't stop it hitting things though....
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On 05/03/2022 at 11:18, magpie patrick said:
Let me be more precise....
How many have been deliberately reduced in gauge from wide beam to narrow beam i.e 10 foot plus to about 7 foot
The stop lock at the entrance to the Ashby was originally 14' wide and rebuilt to its current narrow form in 1819.
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6 hours ago, MtB said:
It does make me smile when I see this spelling mistake in a boat advert!
"2 birth boatmans cabin and 2 birth sofa bed in saloon"
Seems to imply the seller has four children, all born aboard.
We often get asked how many "births" our (or should that be are?) boats. I'm always tempeted to reply with "Well, none so as I know, but I'm told there has been at least one conception..."
I'm surpised that after owning for so many years they seem to think it was tug. It wasn't, it was a carrying boat, and as built with a 9hp single pot engine I doubt it ever worked with a butty.
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I am aware of two incidents involving cyclists injuring themselves whilst trying (unsuccessfully) to negotiate hoses, hurting themselves quite badly and attempting to sue. Likewise I recall a great deal of fuss surrunding a boat which had come adrift and been remoored (no doubt with the best of intentions) with the remaining rope accross the towingpath into the hedge several feet above the ground so I shudder to think of the consequences of intentionally stringing a hose accross the towingpath.
Proper 1/2" potable water blue hose is cheap enough to replace regularly if it gets damaged, and if always coiled the same way is easy enough to handle, even in the winter. If you are worried about muck getting in it, just make some blanks using hoselock type adaptors.
I've never bothered, but I suspect the safest way to leave a hose would be full of water as the water has chlorine in to kill bugs - but that's probably only valid in approved hose which nasties are less likely to grow in anyway.
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18 hours ago, enigmatic said:
I've seen 80s Springers passed off as Hancock & Lane too (fairly sloppily, nor only had they picked a date after they'd folded, but they hadn't taken it down the ad with it listed as a Springer elsewhere).
Passing a standard 80s modern cruiser stern with no tumblehome as a historic Woolwich class sounds even more ambitious!
Hancock & Lane most definitely didn't fold - they just found better things to do than build narrowboats.
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4 hours ago, Ogwr said:
I thought it was Cammel Laird Birkenhead apprentices that built the charity boats,
They definitely built the Heulwen for the Montgomery.
They also built Lady Godiva and Hargreaves (the one whose name I couldn't remember last night) in the 70's.
There's a bit about the original Hargreaves on their website and apparently the apprentices built one per year.
Pirate Princess was quite a different (but equally fugly) shape to the late 70s Cammel Laird built ones.
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8 hours ago, magnetman said:
There is also a narrow boat built by Swan Hunter apprentices called Pipera Hearg.
With the benefit of sleeping on it I now recall that it was Swan Hunter that built Pirate Princess as well.
My grandfather was the overseeing surveyor when it was built (something he really enjoyed having been involved in ships and shipbuilding earlier in his life) and I still have the carpenter's toolbox they presented to him when the boat was handed over which was also made and signwritted by the apprentices.
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1 hour ago, Tonka said:
I also think that there were some charity boats built by them but can't remember the boats names
Lady Godiva was one, and there was another of the same shape in this area until a few years back the name of which won;t come to me at the moment. They were certainly shipyard built by apprentices (not sure where) but in the 70s.
Pirate Princess was also built by apprentices in the early 80's somewhere in the northeast - I think Hartlepool?
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1 hour ago, VandeBloom said:
Hi everyone, thanks so much for all the above information, as well about the slight name - twin! I spoke to the owner and I asked him about the boat's potential origin. On the licensing it says it's a Harland and Wolff made in Glasgow. Year of manufacture 1989. So... The wharf in Glasgow shut down in 1966. Looking at the boat's bow, she does come the "Themis'" on theyard's (history about Harland and Wolff as ship makers) website very, very close, with the slightly more rounded appearance around the bow than other narrowboats might display. So ... I'm wondering, could there be the possibility that this boat might have been refurbished/totally overhauled in 1989, given a new name and sold with a new birthday? Is this something anyone might have heard of having happened in the past with elderly boats?
Based on all this confusion I contacted the yard's person (Harland and Wolff person) and sent him photos with the contradicting information I'm having, specifically as the make is in the boat's license with this year of manufacture. Probably at least he could determine the boat's make or let me know if they did leave serial numbers or years of manufacture somewhere in the boat behind which could give more insight. Would be incredibly thrilled if she was a historic boat... But I'll see what happens next!
Don't kid yourself that this boat you are looking at has anything in common with Themis or any other H&W narrowboat built pre-war - it doesn't, and if you saw Themis or any other Little Woolwich in the flesh you'd understand.
29 minutes ago, magnetman said:If it is Hancock and Lane there will probably be a makers plate on it. They did proper cast plates for their boats and were bolted on somewhere. Either on a vertical part at the forward well deck or possibly somewhere on a vertical part of the stern deck arrangement.
Don't know about H&W but would have thought they would do something similar.
The back of the boat has a Hancock and Lane shape to it. In the 70s they used to advertise the nice rounded sterns with photo of a young woman on back of boat. Presumably making a point about Springers boats having a less appealing shape.
Anyway it's interesting. The guard rail around the stern deck looks like a bolted on afterthought.
One wonders if it was originally a trad style and has been modified to a cruiser style stern at some point.
The cabin shape is very wrong for a Hancock & Lane, as are the style of the dollies and the boss on the botton of the ram's head.
H&L builder's plate were almost always in the well-deck on the collision bulkhead. I say almost always because they are bound to have a built at least oneboat without a well deck!
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Also worth noting that if it is a Hancock & Lane it will be at least 5 years older than it claims to be.
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Could this be the ex-hire boat (from somewhere on the L&L IIRC) that has previously been incorrectly advertised as built by Harland & Wolff?
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Master's Bridge at Brownsover is the least of his worries - there are plenty lower than that.
All the lifeboats I've seen are at least 3m beam, so if he's craned in at Rugby he won't get south of the stop plank narrows at Clifton, or north past us at Stretton Stop, assuming he can fit under some of the original bridges between here and Newbold. Either way, that's not enough to satisfy continuous cruising, plus let's not forget CRT's new bit in the T&Cs about the vessel having to be suitable for the canal it's on, so I think it would be handy to know where it's going to be craned in, just so we know where to go and watch when CRT S.8 it and crane it back out
Assuming this is for real and not a wind-up, then it's all just going to be a waste of time and money for the buyer and for CRT.
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Just now, dmr said:
And they have exactly the same duty as red and white dinodeisel so I don't understand what the problem is?
A far as I can work out, it is not rebated for use as a domestic heating oil - probably because it didn't exist when the list was drawn up, but if it's not on the list......
Just now, ditchcrawler said:Do you think its just down to supply and demand?
I guess is that when fuel prices were going through the roof, someone a long way up the supply chain took the opportunity to raise the price of HVO, so most of the regional bought it at an inflated price but red then dropped back a bit, so they are probably stuck with expensive HVO - but I re-iterate that is just a guess.
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There's a lot of confusion, and some brave souls trying to sort it out. The main importer, Crown, gave me the initial impression that all was okay but have not answered my detailed queries subsequently.
So, we tried it, liked it, but have not re-ordered for the simple reason that the next time I tried to buy some the price had jumped up and it was now 25p per litre dearer than bulk red, and sadly I could not justify that.
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52 minutes ago, Jerra said:
Wasn't that were "Just Boats" were in the mid 70s?
They were always at Crick as far as I remember.
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Black Prince were there in the Ed Rimmer era.
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You can buy them from the BMF - but you probably have to be a member.
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At 28hp it's unlikely to be a 3.152.
How many cylinders does it have? 28 would be about right for a 4.108.
Shaft coupling oddity - anyone recognise it?
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https://shop.eriks.co.uk/en/mechanical-power-transmission-shaft-couplings-flexible-couplings/spider-for-hrc-jaw-coupling-pr-rc0023-0131-jb/
That does look homemade - out of a couple of R&D half couplings.
The rubber drive part is within the steel couplings on that particular Fenner, and is more substantial than it looks.