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i do feel for the brokers really i do i think its very hard to get out of your chair get a key from a hook grunt `over there` then manage to raise your arm and point in a direction you thought it was then all the effort needs a sit down again, then theres the effort of saying when you come back i dont think they will accept it ill ring them later and somehow forget to get back to you
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its not just builders that need to update brokerages should do this daily dunno how many times ive rung up and theve said thats sold 6 months ago
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You would be surprised at how many buyers have no idea what they are looking at, pay top dollar and then can't afford a survey.
When many people buy a boat, heart rules head.
I'm not condoning it, but many brokers try it on.
If the buyer turns out to know something about the subject, the price can always be dropped and inaccuracies covered up by claims
of misunderstandings and incompetence.
Not all brokers are the same, but there are a few con merchants.
i must be unlucky then getting the ones who always try it on i dont mind paying a fair price but when the boat needs new elecs and a refit or other major work then hey cmon are you going to trust a broker (who normaly have a chandlers attached) then they lose the buisness false economy so cmon brokers get ya act together think long term not sort term in ya pocket profit
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To some extent, it depends on how old the boats are that you are looking at (and what your budget is ??)
At the end of the day, if you looked at a secondhand house, it will look lived in.
With narrowboats, you have the added complication that they are often poorly maintained and are often built
by amateur jack of all trades, who by definition, won't be good at everything.
Many self fitouts tend to have strong and weak points.
My speciality is electrics and you would be surprised how botched many new self fitouts are.
Owner/builders think that 12V electrics are simple, so do it all themselves. Things work, but the quality of the wiring, connections
and routing is often not up to a professional standard.
Many boats are on the market because their owners can't afford to maintain them, or have lost interest in them
or are sick and can't get down to them.
These reasons mean that the boats tend not to be first class quality.
If it bothers you that much, then you'd be better looking at new.
theres lived in and used and thats ok i understand that but why do brokers expect you to pay so much for crap, i dont mind doing work on it but hey cmon there having a laugh thats wat im talking about wats the point in telling you lies when they know your getting a survey done
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is it just me or am i setting my sights to high looking at second hand boats and expecting too much like no stinky smells, electrics that work, pictures that are current on brokers websites and not taken 10 years ago when stuff was new (false advertising or wat) boats advertised as ready to go to find that the engine needs repairing maybe im being to picky and want to much for my money after all thousands of hard earned pounds grow on trees
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looks like i need a few plans for internal fit out stoll cant find a reasonable second hand boat any one got any or a full list of equipment to start me off
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He's not changed then.
I'd be suprised if there wasn't a rubbing strake, could you possibly have glanced at the lower strakes, which don't go the full length, by mistake?
To me the price difference between his own boats and the Tyler ones make his look like false economy. They may be great boats, but in the long run I doubt they'd ever be worth as much as the Tyler ones.
http://www.lmbs.co.uk/frame.htm
You can also get the Tyler sailaways from here.
thanks will look at that
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went to see cheshire narrowboats today the guy chris was ok but seemed to want to standardise wat i wanted, i may look again here the only thing i thought odd was no full length rubbing straif they seemed solid enought though
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mmmmmm death doom and gloom then, i live in a house and the gas, electic, water and rates come to three times that its a expensive as you make it if you maintain on the go i reckon its a hell of a lot cheaper to live afloat and also you get the benefit of doing it. moan and groan is wat i hear all the time give it a go im going to
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My sailaway came with engine,sprayfoamed,battened(top half only)windows,doors and floored. It then took me 12 months to complete working almost full time on it. I did struggle with some jobs though (sheets of ply or long lengths of timber mainly)because I was on my own all the time and could really have done with an extra hand.
I've met the guy who owns LMBS on several occasions both at Lymm and at my eventual builders. I would have bought a boat off him but at the time he was a bit inflexible about changing his standard format. I do think he has very fair, safe and straightforward payment terms and for that reason alone if he had (or could get) what I wanted, I would use him.
I've seen several of his lined sailaways and the standard has varied considerably - that said - the more recent were the better ones.
My advice would be to line,plumb and wire you own(all quite easy really) and use the money saved to help pay towards having it professionally painted - trying to do a decent paint job outside is by far the worst part of the whole job.
good advice thanks
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so to get back to it anyone bought a cheshire narrowboats boat from lymm
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I'll second that!
Been to a few brokerages in the last few months looking for a 'project' boat ie needs a internal refit and a darm good lick of paint, but what i've found is scrappers for upwards of £25000 that you can see the rain running down the inside of the walls as fast as it is outside and woodwork that is softer than my granny's victoria sponge!
Is there such a place that sells older hulls in a sailaway form? ( as i dont have £19k plus for a new one)
Sven
yea well said
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Well, I would like to speak up for the brokerages.
There are one or two that are well known for trying to sell over-priced wrecks. I can't belive the way some of the boats were presented when I was looking for my previous boats.
However there are some brokerages that don't take on rubbish, will take you round personally, spend time talking to you and establish your wants and needs and seeing if they have anything to suit you.
Others give you a bunch of keys and, dragging themselves away from whatever they are watching on their PC, draw on their fag and point you in the rough direction of what is for sale.
Like most things in life, there is a wide range of experiences out there. Your move.
can you tell me which ones these are please i will make a special visit, i have been to a few now and mostly i feel that the brokers are putting to high a price on the boats
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Some builders offer sailaway plus (lined out, with wiring and plumbing?) and part fitted sailaways........we considered one, and will go back to that if we can't find a suitable second hand boat.
Love your avatar by the way!
yea thats wat im looking at a sailaway lined with the elecs and plumbing in, just a note if it took you two years wat were you doing i know it takes time but when all is said and done you only go as fast as you want to. this by the way is for the camper up the way
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Exactly my story; we too enede up with a sailaway.
We looked at the place at Lymm, and the shells he had appeared to be good quality from well known makers, and at the right price. He didn't have quite what we needed, otherwise I would have gone with them. I have spoken to one or two people who dealt with them, and they seemed satisfied.
its nice to know its not just me, wat problems did you find fitting out have you a blog
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im now fed up with going round looking at boats that are on brokerage and being expected to pay extreme prices for pieces of basicaly junk, if you went to buy a second hand car in the condition some of these boats were in youd laugh your socks of, i dont mind paying wat its worth but hey for boats that need a refit smell of damp and need a lot of work brokerages are putting prices up that are stupid even in these times. so i think unless in the next couple of weeks i can find a reasonable boat im going down the sailaway route and would like to know if anyone has bought from cheshire narrow boats in lymm
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This topic was argued over considerably and recently as you may have gathered from some of the weary comment, see: http://www.canalworld.net/forums/index.php...42&hl=Axiom
Happy reading
Roger
interesting and ahem see wat ya mean den
did gibbo fit one then and did it work
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OH dear now youve done it ump
yea kicked it off den
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axiom propeller are they worth the money and do they work reports say that they are efficiant and cut down fuel rudder shake and vibration noise anyone got one
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took me a couple of months in cheshire but that was by luck, start now and pay the fees to secure it
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Greenbat
Just one thing (I hear you say 'Not another') to finance your boat with a loan, you will need a 'marine mortgage' and they are only available from 'specialists in that market' and the interest rates tend to be higher than 'bricks and mortar' mortgages.
Your £4,000 is not far off, when I started looking into it I was quoted £5,000, there are the fixed costs as already mentioned but of course diesel is a variable, the fixed costs are bound to rise every year but so does rent.
Ensure you have a contingency fund for the unexpected and be careful of taking on too big a loan, interest rates will not always be this low.
just get an unsecured personal loan if you are thinking of finance then you know every month what your paying
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I'm in the wheelhouse now of the boat I moved into 3 months ago, with my cats lazing aroubd in their baskets, doing little more than me. Lots of people told me Challenger was a bad idea because I might financially find it hard and that I wasn't experienced enough with boats, and, like, you, I guess I was stubborn enough to say, "These are my rules, not yours - this is my life, not yours, and you know what? It's not a dress rehearsal..."
So the can of Stella I've just opened has been toasted to you, Umpire - have a great Bank Holiday Weekend!
have you got a spare can
if not ill wait till im on the boat and crack that bottle of 10 year single malt (bushmills) ive been saving for a sunny day cheers
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no i know not on here but you tend to get into your own situation more when reading threads and mine is what i said full of negative thinkers not all i might add but the ones that stick are the ones that say ohh dont do that and i wouldnt do that. so appologies for coming across that i think the forum posts are all that way didnt mean that specialy sue who has i mi9ght add help[ed me out in some decisions so once again sorry but there you go
always think positive oh and eat chip butties
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youre right good and bad points are needed to reason and blindly going in is bad advice but i dont advocate that, what i will say is this there will be people who negativley pull things and you down to there level of unhappiness and negativity the advice should be without the "oh you dont want to do that itll never work part" besides all advive is pointless if you dont know what it is you want to do. a mortgage is when you look at it something that in 5 years time still going to be available to you with more options after your apprentiship because of increased income but in five years would you rather say ive done that and it was good or bad or stay in a crowded house or little tiny house?
well for me anyway i know what im gointg to do and hpe it resolves itself for you quickly
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