Tam & Di
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If, as you imply, you have some form of mooring agreement then any problems about access would have to be dealt with by whoever you signed with - it shouldn't be between you and a fellow moorer, and certainly nothing to do with C&RT.
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We used to lease Adelaide Dock just along from Maypole Dock. The Grand Junction Canal Act gave owners whose land the canal ran through Rights "to construct places for boats to moor or lie", and Maypole Dock will almost certainly have been dug under those terms. We had to pay the canal company £1.00 a year 'in perpetuity' for the access and maintain the bridge that carried the towpath over the entrance, and I would expect the Maypole Dock to have similar terms. I've no idea if whoever the current owner is has allowed any such agreement to lapse. Dredging would be the responsibility of the owner of the arm, as would maintenance of its watertight integrity.
I'd guess that it was used for coal brought in by narrowboats, as at the Jam 'ole a couple of miles away at the Bulls Bridge end of the Paddington Arm.
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12 hours ago, Crewcut said:Do you think that's funny?
I thought it mildly amusing when my wife reminded me of it. This woke world seems to have become a very humourless place.
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I believe there is a floating brothel in Amsterdam - I'm not sure how that would work CCing on UK canals but I'm sure it must be profitable. 🤷♂️
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1 hour ago, Mad Harold said:
I make £557- 23 every three months,£42- 86 per week.
Whoops - I calculated the day rate in error. Too much 🍷
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1 hour ago, BilgePump said:
Got the price from the OP
Quote "I added pictures if this helps and they say I can work on where it is
£557.23 every three months but I may be able to pay weekly"
Wow!! Just under £6.20 per week isn't going to break the bank is it! (nor make the land owner a millionaire over night. 😁)
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7 hours ago, BilgePump said:
Current storage cost is over £2k per year for a thirty foot boat. That would cover a licence and northern mooring for the same. However, the time and money required to get this boat to a stage where it could be put back in the water and used will be significant. Say a year of hardstanding, and then it will require lifting to water or truck.
The OP said the owner of the land will allow the boat to remain where it is while work is done, but I can't see any mention of the hard-standing fees involved. I don't imagine they would be free though. It would be pretty much impossible to live on the boat while doing the sort of work involved, so these non-productive costs would soon mount up. It's OK having something like this as a hobby, and many people do so, but that does not sound like the OP.
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I guess one difficulty is the vast number of craft currently in existence with no paperwork - it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to set up, but I'm sure some MPs would vote for that if they found a way of profiting from it.
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26 minutes ago, Grassman said:
On this section of the T&M there are a few tight bends and 'narrows' which, with a combined length of 124 feet (both our boats are 62ft) might present some challenges, especially if we meet any oncoming boats! We plan to leave early morning before the traffic gets too busy.
With the butty on cross straps on empty working boats tight bends are if anything easier than with a single motor. You initially move the tiller to start the turn, then the weight of the butty pushes it further round - the motor steerer utimately has to steer 'out of the turn' to stop being pushed too far and to snatch the butty fore-end round. This will not be much different for pleasure craft - if there is a steerer on the towed boat make sure he does not attempt to put his rudder over to steer round the turn at that initial point or he will simply stop the 'tug' getting round. You need to have the mind-set that the towed boat effectively acts as a rudder in that situation.
'Narrows' would only be a challenge if it means they are too narrow for boats to pass each other. If you meet the gravel barge when it is loaded you will need to try to be as close to him as you can, as the pressure wave from his bow will push you sideways away, and if you are already right over at the edge of your channel that would give you problems. If the towed boat is on cross straps that makes it more difficult for the 'tug' to get clear of the shallows at the edge. It is also fatal to assume you should ease right off to tick-over when meeting or, God forbend, to go into neutral. You only have steerage while you have a decent amount of power on.
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4 hours ago, PCSB said:
Given that a butty has a very large rudder (is this called an ellen??) they do have good stearage, a standard NB being towed I would suspect doesn't, though will have some. Is this wrong?
Towage at sea and on narrow restricted waterways are altogether different. The rudder of a butty is called an 'elum' by working boat people who dropped the 'h' of helm in their language. Alan_fincher and BEngo have explained how commercial narrow boats worked, breasted up or on cross-straps on wide canals such as the Grand Union when empty, or using a 20' snatcher between the motor and unpowered butty on short pounds (distance between locks), or a 90' snubber on long pounds when loaded. Towing a modern pleasure boat is another thing altogether as they will not generally have a sufficiently large rudder to be steered without thrust from the engine, and the towing boat was probably never designed with towage in mind, and its engine may well not be up to the job. Their relative drafts will also differ, as they are neither fully loaded nor empty, and the way one boat affects the other will not be the same
For someone experienced it would be a matter of trial and error until the ideal method could be found, but at least they would have something to go by. An inexperienced boater will have no background to understand what might work and what might not, so it would be a matter of chance. Chance would likely as not mean the towline fetched up around the blades of the tug, and the tug gaining more dents in the stern every time they got stuck in a bridgehole or arrived at a lock - an unpowered boat has no form of brakes other than running up the bank.
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3 hours ago, alan_fincher said:
From the 1965 bye-laws:-
But as I recall there is another rule alongside those that says nothing must be thrown or allowed to fall into the canal, so fishing it back out would by doubling the fine for breach of byelaws.
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4 minutes ago, peterboat said:
Its very worrying that CRT arnt stepping up to the job that they are paid to do
They aren't exactly paid to enforce their rules, but obviously it leads to discontent by those who do comply if those who don't do so get away with it.
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15 hours ago, EmmaLouiseToo said:
We’ve cruised the network relatively well over 12 months of ownership
Sorry - the original post was badly expressed. The instruments look vulnerable to bad weather with the wheelhouse down and I wonderd how that affected the cruising options.
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On 05/04/2023 at 07:57, magnetman said:
I love the kettle. They knew how to do things properly in them days ! No messing around with tinny little toy kettles he's got one you would struggle to lift !
I became a labourer on a building site for a while when I left school, and one of my jobs was to make tea. They used a bucket similar in size to the one bottom right in the picture, and I simply boiled the water in that, poured in a packet of tea and a tin of evaporated milk - job done ☕
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9 minutes ago, jacko264 said:
Let’s see your canal badges here is mine we have collected over the years of canal boating
Graham
Wow!! I'm really impressed that you attended the opening of the Oxford Canal in 1790 😁
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We delivered coal at Cadbury's Frampton Wharf in the mid 70s, and I have loads of photos more or less concurrent with Pluto's and Max's son's. There was obviously a lot more to see then, but that was as I calculate 50 years ago so not surprising. Sadly that is what happens to wooden boats.
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12 hours ago, Lily Rose said:
Are they the same person?
Having had a quick re-read of the last half dozen pages of the Miss Max thread I thought the tone was was a bit different. I can't say I noticed any threats of violence, veiled or otherwise, in the Miss Max thread. Unlike some of the OP's posts in this thread - and I didn't see the post(s) that were deleted for going too far.
It was raining and I had a quiet day so I skipped through much of that thread. It did seem to me that Miss Max's posts were very amusing and her attitude was very positive for the first two months as a newbie to canal life, particularly on a boat that required quite a bit of attention, but then the reality of winter weather on such a vessel began to sink in. Her attitude changed quite abruptly, and she started slagging off all those who had helped, even those who went out of their way and made personal visits. The running joke of threats of violence to those offering advice and blaming others for her woes started to become less amusing, and after a month of this the thread was then closed down. That was 6 years ago now, but the rapid change of attitude on this current thread did have a striking resemblance.
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12 minutes ago, Tony1 said:
I'm guessing really, but it's possible that some of the negativity towards the OP was due to a feeling that claiming a refund for a service you had used for 2 years could be viewed by some people as being slightly avaricious or grasping behaviour?
As the OP never clarified the position in any way, who's to know? But if they did indeed pay for a mooring for two years and it was then found that the mooring 'seller' was charging fraudulently as they had no rights to the land, then it seems to me it would be the actual land owner who was being defrauded, not the person who had the benefit of a place to moor - certainly that was the party who lost out financialy.
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4 minutes ago, perfectlydressed said:
You are not able to provide any otherwise if you were you would genuinely message me and ask if I need some help but instead you have joined in with the other knobs, well done give yourself on the back you deserve each other...
I've been involved with such matters for a considerable time, and you have no idea of what help I might be able to give if you were able to state the problem in more detail. I've tried asking a couple of times but I don't feel like bothering any more.
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Hmm. The overlapping response from the OP seems to confirm that they have no intention of supplying information that might help get any assitance.
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1 hour ago, Tony1 said:
If I've understood it correctly, the OP is exploring potential avenues to claim a refund of their mooring fees, based on a suspicion/hope/expectation that the mooring agreement was in some degree legally invalid, or technically incorrect.
But how would the OP expect to get any sort of refund other than by going to law? With a little more information I suppose there might be someone on Facebook or CWDF who could help with background information in this specific case, but otherwise it is all too abstract.
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6 hours ago, perfectlydressed said:
I don't care if someone disagrees with me what I do care about is the rude and insulted way it has been done along with completely false assumptions about my actions, interestingly they don't do it on the facebook page as much because they know their windows are made from glass.
I've still not understood the point of your posts. What is it you are after? If you are simply looking for a shoulder to cry on, then CWDF is probably not the place to look, especially when you are being so secretive about the events that seem to have upset you. You have a strange way of seeking help, if that indeed is what you are doing.
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2 hours ago, perfectlydressed said:Fraud by deception, pretty stupid to make judgements and assumptions without knowing all the facts.
I am a CCer but at the time of having the so called mooring I obviously was not, pretty simple for any normal person.
Where do you draw the conclusion that I will be liberal with the facts?
Post your location if up north and we can clarify it for you at your boat?
You obviously feel you should get your money back, and although your initial post was in the form of a question you don't appear to like the answers. But even if everyone had said 'yes, you're right - go for it", what would you do? You won't get legal advice on here, and if you really expect to be able to sue the mooring operator for a refund you will need to go to law (unless you hope that a whole band of CWDF people will go with you to the site armed with cudgels 😟). There's certainly little point in getting stoppy about the replies.
Your assumptions about the Land Registry proving that the mooring was illegal in some manner are simply not valid, but you would get more reliable advice from a Citizens Advice Bureau, and they would be the people to point you in the next direction.
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22 hours ago, magnetman said:
The latter pair of tanks have never been used.
They'd have been full of wine if they were mine. 🍷
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Help with legal rights?
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Posted · Edited by Tam & Di
You use the phrase "his mooring within the marina" - do you all have specified mooring places, or is it that you do just generally always return to the same space? If you do have specific allocated lengths then you have quite a strong argument, but not otherwise. I'd be very surprised if there is anything to say about access to the canal though - I've not heard of any such clause in mooring agreements used by marinas that I know of.
Are you the only person who does occasionally cruise, or are other moorers equally inconvenienced? I wonder too, why does this guy moor so others can't get in or out? Is it easier or better for him in some way, or is he being deliberately awkward?
These thoughts are interesting, but probably do little to help you resolve the issue. The answers may prompt different forms of advice though.
Tam