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1 hour ago, Owls Den said:
Can someone explain what a counter is, and also a swims. TIA
This is extremely basic, but assuming it is a serious question, the 'swim' is the shape of the hull at the stern as it comes to a more or less pointed shape where the propellor is. The finer this shape is the easier it is for the water to be drawn by the propellor and the less 'drag' created. This means the boat has less wash, less turbulence, greater efficiency and greater speed. The counter is the deck platform above this where a steerer stands on an ex-working boat or anything based on that hull shape.
It is much cheaper and easier to build a straight-sided hull until the last moment and come to an abrupt pointy bit for the propellor, but that gives you a far less manoeuvrable craft. At the extreme you can have something that is simply a box shape with no swim at all - simply a propellor poked through the back of the box. You get more internal space but the boat is virtually unsteerable. Working boats have a fairly long and fine swim as ease of steering, fuel economy etc was of prime importance. Most people buying their first boat now only look at the internal space and price, but never do understand why boating is then such hard work for them.
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At least some path improvements do prioritise trees and nature.
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4 hours ago, Pelinsu D. said:
I don't think this thread has anything to do with my name. English meaning of this if it will satisfy your curiosity - wormwood + water
I hope everything is as you say and you find the replies helpful. Unfortunately the forum does get a lot of enquiries which are not quite what they seem, and people here waste a lot of time making replies that are completely ignored. You appeared to have very little knowledge of canals or boats, and your mails have been in rather strained English language or in Turkish, so when I saw that your name meant "Game" in Finnish it seemed to confirm suspicions. Hopefully I made a mistake, and I'll say no more on it now.
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Hmmm - Pelinsu is Finnish for "game" 🤷♂️
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Google Translate thinks she is writing in Turkish - there is obviously something very odd going on here and I am rather suspicious to say the least 😁
Is Pelinsu actually a computer?
Tam
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I'm not for one moment trying to put the OP down, but is accelerator now the current word for that lever? I've always heard it called the throttle, or on most of our boats the speed wheel. I suppose that 'speed wheel' is in fact more conceptually allied to 'accelerator' than 'throttle' if I think about it. I've obviously not got enough to do today if I can waste time with such thoughts. 😏
Tam
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Lindy and Mike Foster's Berko base would certainly be more convenient for a trip down the Aylesbury Arm.
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5 minutes ago, magpie patrick said:
I've given this some more thought - starting with what I remember and what I remember Magpie the Elder remembering. In 1999 we took a boat from Adelaide Dock part way down the Slough Branch
I assumed you were talking about a rather earlier period. I did wonder how you'd been to Aylesbury, but also to Camden and Norwood Top as that's quite a spread. Adelaide Dock is just up a couple of miles from Norwood Top, and the guy we sold it to did start a hire business but it only lasted a couple of years. Monica Emily has been owned for perhaps 20 years by a woman with another boat she keeps at our Spikes Bridge moorings. I think she bought it from John Bolsom who had the yard at Iver on the bottom of the Slough Arm and another at Norwood on the Paddington Arm, but his Iver Boats hire fleet was back in the 60s. There was a hire fleet in Paddington Packet Boat yard at Cowley Peachey at some point and that might be where you are thinking of. They have a mooring basin on the main line and their marina entrance on the old BW dredging tip is just into the Slough cut. I am pretty confident that there were never any boats operating out of the BW Bulls Bridge yard.
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7 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Our Gardner has one, I didn't look closely but it looked to have a 4" / 5" blade and it certainly cut back 3" branches - he said the problem was that a battery only lasted for about 10 minutes of use.
I got one of the Makita ones - it was very handy to be able to hold in one hand and reach through a tangle of other branches to cut the one you wanted, virtually impossible with a hand saw. It did fall to bits very quickly but Amazon sent a replacement instantly with no qibbble, and that one has now has quite a bit of work. Yes, 3" branches no bother at all.
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How old is this boat and what sort of a life has it has that its 10mm plate needs rebottoming? And if the bottom is in that sort of state, what is the rest like?
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3 hours ago, magpie patrick said:
... on the GU from somewhere near Hanwell Locks (1975?)
I can't think where that might have been. The nearest was probably High Line at Iver on the Slough cut. They had some concrete hulled hire boats in the 60s, and pretty much every one of them tried to make holes in the tow path as they stormed straight out of the Slough Arm at the Tee junction onto the main line at Cowley Peachey, never having had to do any much steering to that point - the location does feature in the Bargee film in a contretemps between Harry Corbett's pair and Eric Sykes' cruiser.
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To my mind if a person as a DIYer wants to enter a field that is normally carried out by professional tradesmen he should learn the professional language - not demand that the profession adapts to his lack of knowledge. When I worked as a plumber in the mid 50s there was no question that a rather box shaped thing in the kitched was called a sink, and a more bowl-shaped thing in the loo or elsewhere was a basin - where's the problem in that? The same as a hot tap was always on the left and cold on the right - it's now quite random, and the number of times I've found them fitted the wrong way round must be at least 1 in 4. It did get to be a pain when international measurements were adopted, and in many respects it is a messy bodge, but it was nothing to do with EC rules. There was always conflict between the different thread systems.
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9 hours ago, Arthur Marshall said:
Maybe we should start using the term "squatter" rather than "continuous moorer"? Isn't that technically what is being done? Which gives two nicely derogatory terms for those ripping off the system - squatters and dumpers.
It was pretty much impossible for boats to be left littering the towpath when working craft held sway. The terms towpath dosser or towpath squatter came into use when it first started to happen, in the 60s. I've not heard them used much since that time. They are obviously perjorative, but do express how such actions were regarded by those wishing to use canals in the normally accepted manner right from the beginning, long before it became such a severe problem. Even back then BWB never gave their lengthsmen sufficient back-up for them to nip it in the bud.
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6 hours ago, Alan de Enfield said:
I had a cover made pretty much the same as Alan's (but a tidier fit 😁). Mine also had rectangular clear panels which were pretty much the size of the rectangular glass they covered. It was easily removable, but in reality I seldom removed it other than when I painted the roof and revarnished the pigeon box. We did have alternative opening Lewmar hatches though.
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Certainly not there when our son Jason owned it in the 70s. They're pretty small, but it would be interesting to know how they affect the handling.
I don't think I've put this picture on before - Jason and Mike Carter taking two Joeys down onto the Thames on hire for a civil engineering job.
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OK, but don't then moan if your boat rocks when another boat passes or when someone works the lock.
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34 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:
Which is why I fitted a pair of hefty fairleads to the front of the boat. Certainly not in an ideal position, but better than just the T stud.
I have been recommending this for years to anyone taking their narrowboat to France, as locks can be very fierce. Other than a few waterways such as the Canal du Midi the crew stay on board to mind the lines, and this allows them to take turns around the tee stud for control of the length while the supplementary bollards or fairlead keep the line away from the crew - also away from the corners of the cabin.
It is also useful for mooring lines as it moves the contact point away from the tee stud and towards the straight side of the boat which is the problem LadyG highlights.
It is probably ott for most UK waterways, but here are a couple of examples.
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Tied with two lines as you describe, when a boat passes you surge forward. This means the stern lines comes tight and holds the back in, but the fore line slacks slightly allowing the bow to move out. As the surge reverses you get the opposite reaction.
With springs, although you still surge forwards the bow and stern still remain tight to the bank, and as you surge back the same reaction. To explain further, as you surge forwards the stern line will tighten, but so will the forward spring, and then the converse.
So although the boat will still move slightly forwards and backwards you will no longer have one end or the other swinging out and bouncing back in.
Although you may think your two lines are as tight as they can possibly be, the water level will change slightly as a boat passes which will immediately mean they are less tight (or more, depending upon the relative levels)
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On 30/04/2023 at 16:11, magnetman said:
I would call it an upswept stern. Canoe stern is usually associated with craft which have a rounded back end but not the slope.
Salters steamers have this type of stern but I don't know if they call it a canoe stern. Maybe they do.
I'd agree - to a greater or lesser extent a canoe stern echoes the shape of a canoe, as one would expect:
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Looking now at his previous posts on threads about being offered a boat which was almost certainly a scam, deciding that a survey is a waste of money, and now disregading advice that wooden boats need a faily permanent injection of money, sadly I think you are correct and he really wants people to tell him how lucky he is to have these cheap boats being thrown at him all the time. Unfortunately that means he is simply a rather disillusioned time waster.
I'd be happy for him to come back and tell me I'm wrong, but .........🤷♂️
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10 hours ago, stagedamager said:
I think it would help to know what type of wooden boat you are thinking of and then the right people can offer advice as to the practicalities of those types of vessels and their pitfalls.
Kind regards
Dan
There was quite a bit of helpful comment plus the usual jokey stuff - about Noah's Ark in this case. Then stagedamagerer posted the above which was very to the point. Sadly this was also the last time the OP was on-line looking at the thread, so I guess either he did not see it or decided not to bother - a pity either way, but it does seem to happen a lot, and does influence the sort of replies the next enquiry of a similar nature receives.
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3 hours ago, Peanut said:
It would be fairly simple to check that one way or the other.
Tam
I doubt that they own the water, just the land and the bridge, but they will know if you ask them. Westminster Council won't own the River Thames under London Bridge. Not that it helps, as you have to deal with the marina management.
The point has already been made now, but we certainly leased the land and de facto the water held within it at Adelaide Dock, right to the junction with the canal mainline, and the plans showed that. I can't see why Maypole Dock should be any different. In the OP's instance there is no effective difference between someone blocking the water or blocking the land - it is still not possible to pass without the offending craft being moved.
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4 hours ago, David Mack said:
My guess is that the highway authority own the road bridge over the entrance, so the land registry title plan for the dock may exclude that area
It would be fairly simple to check that one way or the other.
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23 hours ago, Emonaboat said:
.. The marina is private waters, not regulated by CRT. The marina entrance is underneath a road bridge and is no man's land- neither owned by the marina or regulated by CRT and the highway authority claim it isn't theirs either.
I'm slightly puzzled by this. I would assume that Maypole Dock Ltd owned the whole of the dock including the access point to the canal, and Catalyst Housing Ltd who bought it from them does therefore now own the access. The fact that they were only interested in being able to build a bridge over the dock wouldn't mean that they don't own the whole entity.
I will try to send you a private message about it.
Tam
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I assume you don't mean you actually used the pole as a lever? That's a good way to break them.
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