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Just now, MtB said:
Curiously, I made my fortune renovating houses and nowadays I just buy any boat I fancy. Mebbe you should do the same.
May your God go with you, as some comedian once said.
god is no comedian buddy god and jesus are alive but not here. i also made abig profit onhouses my daughter is very anxious and the canal andboats relax her hence the boat purchase.
ade and riot died in a boat fire in pendeford around 4 weeks ago hence why i have no get up n go lol it hurt
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great fella i was in wheaton aston then. was with ade on the blue grp boa
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i will crack on mate and it will be finished in 3 months and me and family will enjoy it this summer see you
on the canals brother. god bless. and crack on i will it is’s doubters like you that make me press on and finish what i startedJust now, Goliath said:
I recognise the boat.
I moored in front of you over night while you were there in October. You looked busy.
Bloody acorns falling off the trees kept me awake all night! They sounded like stones.
Good luck with your project, hope it works out.
where were you buddy
1 minute ago, Goliath said:
I recognise the boat.
I moored in front of you over night while you were there in October. You looked busy.
Bloody acorns falling off the trees kept me awake all night! They sounded like stones.
Good luck with your project, hope it works out.
which boat buddy was you on
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i am not sure on this but he assured me all 12 v and 230v elecs new with new inverter solar wiring everything to go with it was new and installed up to standard
goodnight Alan on Stressless
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1 minute ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Thats easy excuse to say when you've been caught out.
Good night !
if you look back my friend you will see i said before. i also told you my location. i havent been caught out i think you have with your shoddy maths and explanations. good night god bless amen
and alan please make sure your bath tub is watertight 😂
1 minute ago, chrisk_87 said:if you look back my friend you will see i said before. i also told you my location. i havent been caught out i think you have with your shoddy maths and explanations. good night god bless amen
and alan please make sure your bath tub is watertight 😂
im a man of god wish no evil upon any man but bad will come to those who have been bad. here is a chapter for you.
psalm 51.10
Dear God
There are things i wish
I hadnt thought, or said , or done.
There are things i could have done
to make a difference- but i didnt.
I am sorry.
Thankyou that its never too late
to be forgiven,
to forgive myself,
to forgive others
-and begin again.
Amen
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it was 12 v full rewire and the full solar inverter kit
23 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:The guy spent 10 hours in his cab - had a mug of tea and sandwiches and only came out for a 'P'
We rounded it up and each gave him £17 as a tip.
Quite happy to pay a bit over the top for good service.
Hours ago I thought you said you were leaving ?
"anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here"
Close the door behind you.
PS - if you are going to get critical about someones maths - I'd suggest you look closely at your standard of written English - it leaves a lot to be desired.
im dyslexic my friend so no banter about my english
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Just now, Bee said:
There are some things that make a big project worthwhile. Having a worthwhile end result is one of them, That is a nice boat and worth the effort. Many people think they can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but that will make a very good boat if you can stay the course. Just crack on with it and prove us all wrong. Good luck.
many thanks for a positive comment it will get there and it will be finished. there are so many negative people on here xx
3 minutes ago, Quattrodave said:Was your electrician doing 240v only or low voltage and 240v ??
A decent inverter will be well over £1000 solar panels and controller(s) depending how many watts could easily be another £1000. You can't use twin and earth, decent multi strand isn't cheap. If your low voltage is calculated properly the guage of cable required will scare you.
he was doing it properly with a 5kw victron system with all appropriate wiring
including 12 v full rewire
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4 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:
Exactly what did the quote document say? It should show the details of what is to be done, but I suspect it does not have much detail. A quality inverter/charger maybe £1200 and the panels and controller perhaps another £500 or so. Then there is the many meters of cables and the terminals that will be needed. I hope that quote stands and you don't get left with unsupported far eastern equipment.
the quote was from a professional electrician with i think it was victron gear he has been in the business 20 years
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5 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
The guy spent 10 hours in his cab - had a mug of tea and sandwiches and only came out for a 'P'
We rounded it up and each gave him £17 as a tip.
Quite happy to pay a bit over the top for good service.
Hours ago I thought you said you were leaving ?
"anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here"
Close the door behind you.
PS - if you are going to get critical about someones maths - I'd suggest you look closely at your standard of written English - it leaves a lot to be desired.
lmao goodnight and goodbye alan like i said i sent you my location if you wish to discuss further but dont thing that plastic tub can make it.
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getting there
1 minute ago, Tony Brooks said:So why did you originally ask for someone to rewire and refit it if you can do so much of the work yourself. On the basis of your original post the advice to get rid is probably correct. However, the more you can DIY the less you will need to pay for professional help. That makes it a far more realistic project.
Personally, I find that quote a bit suspect and would not be in a bit surprised if it went up once the job was underway.
If you do strip it out to fit insulation, give a lot of thought to how you will run your wires so they can be got at without stripping the lining out.
that quote was from a fully qualified electrician specialising in boat electrics
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32 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
That is a factual price for a 100 tonne crane for 10 hours.
There were 30 of us to be lifted out / in so we all paid £150 each.
Welcome to the real world, not some wannabe dreamer !
and just agin wrong math 30 x £150 is £4500
2 minutes ago, Tony Brooks said:I rather feel the same way. The OP posts in the style of so many starry eyed newbies that have gone before with only the barest description of what he wants help with, and even then seems to have changed his requirements as the discussion developed. First he wanted a rewire and insulation doing, then he said he could do a lot of it himself. He does not seem to have establishes if he has insulation already. I have tried to point out how much work doing the insulation will be and give suggestions as to how the wiring could be tackled without renewing all of it, but it still looks to me as if he is very likely to spend more than the boat could be sold for. That may be fine if a lot of the fun is in the DIYing and the OP has the patience and time, but as he seems to have got fed up with the time it is taking (asking for leads to professional help)eventually getting fed up experience here suggests is very likely. If the interior is stripped out if/when he gets fed up, it devalues the hull even more.
we don't know where he is trying to do this job, many marinas will not allow that sort of work on the pontoons, and if he is doing it bankside it raises a lot more difficulties relating to getting things like the lining boards to site and the manoeuvring them and cutting to fit inside the boat.
When we were fitting out the GRP hire cruisers from bare hulls in a boatyard with the facilities and power needed it would take several months with teams of two or three carpenters, two or three engineers with at least one apprentice, and two painters. That is without any "ripping out" to fit insulation. That experience is why I say and individual doing it at weekends etc. is likely to take time measured in years for a presentable job.
I wish him luck and hope he gets it done without being ripped off for work that may not be necessary.
thanks for the input i will upload a before inter and after pic of exterior just so you know whats its like now
3 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:and just agin wrong math 30 x £150 is £4500
thanks for the input i will upload a before inter and after pic of exterior just so you know whats its like now
and by no means a starry eyed newbie lol
before
midway
not finished yet needs top coats
nearly there
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i can do majority of work just not electrics have had a quote of £6000 to rewire and install solar with inverter all parts included. i can fit out rest just wanted it done bit faster so could enjoy with family but guess ill have to take time off and finish it myself.
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6 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
That is a factual price for a 100 tonne crane for 10 hours.
There were 30 of us to be lifted out / in so we all paid £150 each.
Welcome to the real world, not some wannabe dreamer !
wannabe dreamer yeah right lifted a 70 ft all steel narrowboat out of water last year and transported for £400 like i say not what you know who you know. it went to scrap for £3260
keep your plastic boat lol just jelaousy btw my best friend just lost his life one a dawn craft and his dog in pendeford we are real life not dreamers
2 minutes ago, LadyG said:I have to say that @Alan de Enfieldhas put up some pointless posts in the past, in this instance it is unhelpful in the extreme.
and thankyou lady xx
omg wish i could meet this guy and show him the real world alan de enfield get a life not on here dragging people down. btw im on shropshire union brewood bridge 14 if you have any reply
4 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:wannabe dreamer yeah right lifted a 70 ft all steel narrowboat out of water last year and transported for £400 like i say not what you know who you know. it went to scrap for £3260
keep your plastic boat lol just jelaousy btw my best friend just lost his life one a dawn craft and his dog in pendeford we are real life not dreamers
and thankyou lady xx
omg wish i could meet this guy and show him the real world alan de enfield get a life not on here dragging people down. btw im on shropshire union brewood bridge 14 if you have any reply
you know where i am let me know a day and time ill make sure im there to school you on narrowboats and maths at that even though im dyslexics
thankyou lady xx
7 minutes ago, LadyG said:I have to say that @Alan de Enfieldhas put up some pointless posts in the past, in this instance it is unhelpful in the extreme.
thankyou lady xx
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thanks xx
God bless you safe travels
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Just now, mrsmelly said:
You are missinterpreting some sound advice. Many people on here have a great deal of boating experience under their belts, some of us have owned numerous boats over many years and all are actualy giving you " Real World " experience. Remember most of us have also done the ( much easier ) job of refurbing houses also, and understand that boats come with a whole host of harder to do jobs. Of course you will find someone who will do it for mates rates but if they offer to do it for mates rates of say 200 pounds a day and can start straight away, then walk away 👍
yes i understand that i have a very good friend who is a plumber but not carpenter or electrician i appreciate the positive comments its the ones that say cut your losses and buy one done lol its a forum for help should be a good community not negativity.
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2 minutes ago, David Mack said:
When people find out that I live on a narrowboat, their eyes light up. They say things like “Gosh, I’d love to do that,” and “That’s so bohemian of you!,” and “It must be so peaceful”. It is peaceful, sometimes, but it’s easy to forget that when you’re struggling to push open a heavy lock gate in the pouring rain with a screaming baby strapped to your chest. Still, I love the way I live: I love being close to the water, and feeling more connected to nature and in sync with the changing seasons than I did living on land...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/27/living-on-a-boat-rental-market
amazing keep up the positivity
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not. another one jesus you have really nothing else to do that put people down not help at all the guy tells me its going to cost me £1800 to get the boat out to scrap it but its only worth £1500 scrap infact if you read the posts you will understand.
and the last reply from me was not to your self it was to alan de enfield
apologies for any inconvenience
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4 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Sadly your comprehension seems to be somewhat lacking.
I gave the worst case prices for a crane and the size of crane needed when I said ".......cost anywhere up to £1000 depending"......... - yes you can get a cheaper smaller crane depending on access - we needed to get a 100 tonne crane in to lift 11-12 tonne boats due to the necessary 'reach' that cost £4000 for the day.
If you added together my figures you'd have seen that I used mid price of ~£700 for a crane.
jesus £4000 for a crane now. got to bed buddy try and keyboard warrior someone else think you need some sleep
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39 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:
Ok lets take a realistic view.
Mild steel scrap is currently £100 per tonne.
You will need a crane to lift it onto a truck - cost anywhere up to £1000 depending on if you can share the cost with someone else, access and size of crane.
£500+ for a truck.
Labour to cut it up into managable pieces at £30 per hour - probably 20+ hours.
Income from the scrap 15 tonnes at £100 = £1500
Costs - £1800 ?
I have known people give boats away as it works out cheaper for them than having it cut up and disposed of.
lol 1000 for a crane 500 for a truck what you mean cut it up it goes as it is as heavy iron pal can get a boat out water for less than £500 and transported. its not what you know its who you know
32 minutes ago, David Mack said:Assuming the shell is sound this is doable, although there is a lot to do.
The back end and ceiling look to have been well fitted out originally in t&g, whereas the plywood and osb lining in the rest is a bit rough.
You say this is one owner from new, which surprises me. It has the look of a boat which has gone downhill a bit and then one or more bodgit owners has attempted some refitting before giving up and selling it on.
The wiring looks a mess, but again what appears to be original wiring is neatly done with the right cabling (albeit torpedo fuse boxes), whereas later additions have been bodged in twin and earth. Some of the original may be salvageable if you can remove all the additions and then redo them properly. But there will be a fair bit of cable tracing to do first to work out what is what.
I would be tempted to look behind the lining in a few places first to see what insulation is present. If it's basically sound then you might get away with leaving some of the cabin lining in place. If not you need to strip out entirely and replace it. If you strip the whole boat out you can get it professionally sprayfoamed. If you are doing a section at a time then diy cellotex or kingspan glued to the inside of the shell (after repainting if necessary) would be better. Ensure complete coverage including places like under the gunwales and shell framing - aerosol sprayfoam can be used to fill any odd gaps - and tape all joints with the proper metallised tape.
It's a big job, and you won't see the time and money spent back in the value of the boat, but if you have the time, skills and money and enjoy doing the work, go ahead!
thanks about the first positive comment yet. it is one owner he fitted it out when he brought it.
43 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:Ok lets take a realistic view.
Mild steel scrap is currently £100 per tonne.
You will need a crane to lift it onto a truck - cost anywhere up to £1000 depending on if you can share the cost with someone else, access and size of crane.
£500+ for a truck.
Labour to cut it up into managable pieces at £30 per hour - probably 20+ hours.
Income from the scrap 15 tonnes at £100 = £1500
Costs - £1800 ?
I have known people give boats away as it works out cheaper for them than having it cut up and disposed of.
if any boats going free ill take them no matter where it is in the country
3 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:lol 1000 for a crane 500 for a truck what you mean cut it up it goes as it is as heavy iron pal can get a boat out water for less than £500 and transported. its not what you know its who you know
thanks about the first positive comment yet. it is one owner he fitted it out when he brought it.
if any boats going free ill take them no matter where it is in the country
and that is full steel narrowboats no plastic
49 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:Ok lets take a realistic view.
Mild steel scrap is currently £100 per tonne.
You will need a crane to lift it onto a truck - cost anywhere up to £1000 depending on if you can share the cost with someone else, access and size of crane.
£500+ for a truck.
Labour to cut it up into managable pieces at £30 per hour - probably 20+ hours.
Income from the scrap 15 tonnes at £100 = £1500
Costs - £1800 ?
I have known people give boats away as it works out cheaper for them than having it cut up and disposed of.
also if you did your own maths its not = £1800 it is infact what you calculated =£2100. schooled
crane £1000 according to you.
transport according to you £500+
20 hours labour to cut into manageable pieces as you say £30 per hour = 600
Total cost = £2100 + with you plus on transport
12 minutes ago, chrisk_87 said:lol 1000 for a crane 500 for a truck what you mean cut it up it goes as it is as heavy iron pal can get a boat out water for less than £500 and transported. its not what you know its who you know
thanks about the first positive comment yet. it is one owner he fitted it out when he brought it.
if any boats going free ill take them no matter where it is in the country
and that is full steel narrowboats no plastic
also if you did your own maths its not = £1800 it is infact what you calculated =£2100. schooled
crane £1000 according to you.
transport according to you £500+
20 hours labour to cut into manageable pieces as you say £30 per hour = 600
Total cost = £2100 + with you plus on transport
sorry to dissapoint the porn star 😂
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anyway thanks for the advise and none help and negativity i guess ill be leaving here and returning to the real world where things can be done and will be done bye bye
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6 minutes ago, MtB said:
Corblimey, a second one today who only wants to hear advice he (or perhaps she) agrees with!
what with everyone saying cut you losses i brought it as a project i will ffinish it. isnt thats what this forum is about advice and help like people on the canal not to judge jeez bunch of no doubters and cant does. if you seen it when i brought it to now you would be amazed
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23 minutes ago, Bee said:
Cor! That wiring will take some sorting and there is even a bit of 240v twin & earth which might not be acceptable. The boat has probably had several owners, many people working on it who bodged in another circuit with any old cable and I don't think its worth trying to understand it. You need to work out where the various cabins are going then plan where the lights, pumps, everything, is going, work out cable sizing, and plan the whole thing out properly. There is probably a couple of years work for one person there working every weekend and holiday and a hell of a lot of materials - and even then it won't be finished. It's a big job - and then there's the plumbing.... . You need to be ruthlessly efficient, spend evenings searching e bay for materials, chop up all the rubbish so it'll fit in the car and take it to the tip every few days, keep the thing tidy and never nail anything permanently hidden. Good luck.
its a one owner from when built
23 minutes ago, Alan de Enfield said:Yes that may be the best way forward - but be prepared for the scrap value to be very low, as the labour to cut it up into managable pieces can actually cost more that the scrap (by weight) value.
you obviously know nothing about scrap lol
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20 minutes ago, LadyG said:
I thought he meant the boat needs insulating.
Calm down
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Is this an old boat which still works, but needs updating, or a sail away which works.
Assuming it's a boat that needs upgrading, what is your intention, occasional cruising or liveaboard.
its a 94 mike haywoood 50ft trad i had hull survey when brought it. i have done full bare metal paint outdise it was blacked in july last year by no means do i need to cut my losses lol. was looking for advice maybe point in right direction bit of help not sell it and buy one thats done
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jeez whats with all the negativity. i may aswell scrap it according to you lol
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it is ade was a good man and riot a good dog for him i left flowers there for him and some mungral stole them. but ill make sure he has a good send off
and this forum is full of doubters and negativity im leaving here brother god bless we may cross paths again hopefully and speak next time